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i gave it 6.theres just something wrong with it.the songs arent' catchy or loose and open.some of the lyrics are bad.real bad.the songs sort of just drift along without much point and then end.hmmm. thats' how i feel about this album.hmmm. i hope they get back to dark,looser songs.their getting on a bit now so theres hope they could make a mature ablum.
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