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Originally Posted by jetengine
The Stooges were more like The MC5: mostly straight-ahead hard-driving rock. The Doors, on the other hand, were more in The Velvet Underground/Jethro Tull/Led Zeppelin/King Crimson/Sonic Youth vein: many different strains and strands of music all present in the one band. On some Doors albums, you could hear blues, artsy hard rock (proto new wave), spoken-word, vocal jazz, twisted country, etc. back to back to back to back. That's troubling for a lot of those people who tend to stick with the one musical vein--especially KISS, AC/DC and Ramones fans!!![/
while i agree the doors dont get the proto-punk respect they prolly deserve, i dont think they were and more "avant garde" than the stooges. the stooges were highly influenced by the doors, but took that sorta bluesy/creative fuck head vibe and ran wild with it. totally invented something new.
i dont think ya could really say the same for the MC5...who were good...but literally a straight ahead rock band for the most part.
stooges were loaded with noisy improvisation blues freakout shit.
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Hmmm...sounds like I've offended a true-blue, hardcore Stooges fan!!--believe me, I love 'em too!
As for The Stooges being more avant-garde than The Doors, well, I simply can't hear that on the three legitimate studio releases. (No, I must confess that I haven't heard the reunion album or any of the bootlegs.) 'We Will Fall' on their debut and 'L.A. Blues' and the title track on
Funhouse are the most avant-garde of the studio things I have in my collection.
Ironically--or oddly, the most avant-garde things The MC5 did sound like Doors experiments being performed by The Stooges! 'Starship' and 'Future/Now' immediately come to mind. Come to think of it, Nugent & The Amboy Dukes had similarly sounding moments circa
Marriage on the Rocks/Rock Bottom. Maybe even Alice Cooper on some albums (those vocal-jazz moments hemmed in by garage rock).
As for The Doors as proto-punk/new wave, I've long maintained that the first two albums and selected numbers off the subsequent albums predated Roxy Music as 'earliest examples of the New Music'. I mean, lift 'The Unknown Soldier' off
Waiting For the Sun and shove it on U2's
War--it would fit in perfectly! You can almost imagine Bono wailing towards the end, "The war is ooo-o-o-vvveerrrr...". When I listen to Joy Division, The Stranglers, Lene Lovich, The Cars, The Psychedelic Furs, Echo & The Bunnymen, U2, INXS, The Cult, Eat, etc., I hear The Doors all over the place. And Yes, I hear them in Sonic Youth, too--certainly lyrically, but also musically in stuff like 'The World Looks Red' (has 'L.A. Woman' intro), 'Expressway to Your Skull' ('The End'), 'Drunken Butterfly' ('Hello, I Love You'), etc. Punk-wise, 'Break On Through' has a nasty edge that probably only The Who could match circa its release as a single in December of '66.
But anyway, these are my takes on such matters--feel free to disagree....