Originally Posted by !@#$%!
A LOAD OF ASS
is what i've spotted in this thread.
sure i haven't read everything in detail, but who could?
starbucks rules-- i don't even drink coffee these days, but you had to be alive in the early 90's to know that all coffee available in this country was PISS.
that is, until starbucks came on to the scene.
all those "independent coffee shops" that people tout were latecomers, trying to ride on the tailcoats of the success of starbucks.
starbucks pays benefits, offer scholarships, and offer other perks to its employees. i know people who used to work for starbucks & they enjoyed it.
"independent coffee shops" offer no security for its employees, no benefits, and most pay minimum wage and some get treated like shit and have no recourse-- i also have a friend who used to practically RUN a coffee shop in dc and one day the girlfriend of the owner took over & she was summarily kicked out.
the only "crime" that i'm aware of starbucks committed is to be successful at what they do. of course every contrarian hipster will cry "nooooo!" whenever something finds success. we prefer patronizing the place with the cockroaches, right? even when they pay misery wages.
now as i said before i don't even drink coffee anymore and i think that people could spend their money in something better, but if you need a good reliable cup of coffee, where else are you gonna go in, say, oklahoma? (maybe floatingslowly can answer that, but i stop at the starbucks in macarthur ave. and i-40).
if you want to cry about starbucks go drink coffee at macdonalds and dunkin donuts, bitches. because that's all there was before.
about selling music-- i hope they make a lot of money. coco's college is not going to be cheap.
maybe one of the best posts i have ever seen you post, that really picked up my day, freeze dried robusta bean coffee is some of the worst stuff on the planet, when starbucks came out people finally started getting the good arabica bean flavor that was sorely needed
about the "little guy" also, last time i walked around Seattle, there were more independent coffee shops then there were even starbucks, and yes starbucks is the reason why many of those little shops exist now, anything before them was a shop where they sold cheap black engine grease for labor workers and all-night shifters
i have been getting the feeling while outside of the musical opinion of their output on this thing will be, that most people don't want sonic youth to be sold in a store like that? so you don't want people to find out about sonics? maybe improve their musical tastes? i..
anyway, as sway said, and Jenn and i noticed down in humid as an ass-lanta, Lee was coming out of a starbucks when they could have gone to one of those little shops, and it's not the only time i have seen him hanging around starbucks, if there is any member you'd want to ask about it, it would be him