My main problem with them too is that Bright Lights was so good that they've been downhill ever since. Don't get me wrong I like the songs on Antics too but something is lacking from it somewhere but also they keep using the same tricks over and over... From what I've heard this new album probably not going to be any different. They've got a couple really good b-sides that should have been on albums also... as for the joy division thing - it's undenyable but I think they did enough to contemporise the sound. and I don't understand people who like JD and don't like SY and vica versa - those kind of people annoy me.
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