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Originally Posted by noumenal

OK, that's pretty much what I thought you were getting at. I still have faith in progress - just because one practice ends doesn't mean another can't take its place. The project of modernity didn't collapse, it just ran its course.

well what habermas would argue is that the project of modernity remains unfinished and its discontents jumped off too early into postmodernism so to speak.

the thing is postmodernism means a lot of things in different fields. in architecture, is the joyous return to the pastiche. in poetry, who knows! in fiction, it's the pastiche and science fiction and a lot of things. in philosophy it is the disillusionment with modernity and the idea of progress-- i supposed this stems from WWII and the prospect of "mutual assured destruction", the ravaging of the environment, the social alienation in advanced societies, etc, etc.. it might also be simply the ideology that corresponds to the mode of production of late capitalism (service economy, computers, etc).

i have slept 30 minutes in the last 36 hours so im going to stop before i get a stroke, but this has been quite enjoyable.

demonrail, you've been on a roll! i didnt know this side of you, and im quite impressed. i wish i could answer but i'm trying to prevent an aneurysm. so i hope i can do that later.

cheers fools, the lot of you

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