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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

the second amendment is NOT about self defense. I agree.
however, regardless f the reason for the granting of us the right to have arms, the granting is still what is important. the reason change. we have a standing army now, an abomination to the founding fathers, who knew a nation with a standing army has to have somethinbg for the army to do, leading down the slippery slope of tyranny.

i never said ti was an easy topic or an easy decision.

hm no, the federalists were in favor of the standing army as outlined in the constitution. it was the anti-federalist southern states that opposed it.

my request then is that in this debate about SELF DEFENSE we leave the 2nd amendment out, because that just confuses the issues.

i'm in favor of licensed guns for self defense.