listen to antichrist svperstar again. the layering, the backing guitars, the electronica, none of that was part of Marilyn Manson before that record. i am not saying its a NIN record, but it is definitely got Trent Reznor's fingerprints all over it. indeed that is more or less what Daisy Berkowitz said pushed him out of the band, than Manson and Reznor more or less took over the album.
and i totally agree with Marilyn Manson sucking after Reznor stopped being involved. just like with Kanye West, i don't diss what i haven't listened too and i checked out all the Marilyn Manson records and didn't dig them.
i would also say listen to it again, it might be more complex a record than you remembered. it is definitely a concept album both lyrically, sonically, and production wise
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