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Old 07.22.2013, 02:44 PM   #43
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dead_battery again.

dead_batter, I agree with you, but there is honestly a world of difference between mutually white Catholic and Protestants getting into a quasi-religious, blatantly political civil war, and the intense racialization structurally of the American economy, political machinery, and culture. Further and again, the very economy and class war in America is uniquely divided around racial parameters, and this is deeply embedded over literally several generations. Generational poverty is the hardest to overcome, and in the American experience this generational poverty is distinctly divided along racial lines. Yes, Irish Catholics and Protestants didn't get along (I'm sorry to over simplify the analysis here) but if they sat at a pub together and didn't open their mouth or wear ostentatious clothing with identifiable insignia, they could more or less blend and get along. Skin color differences are not so lucky. Black is black period, and even a middle-class or rich black man will always be most visibly black to his opponents. Your analysis is cool, but inaccurate to this particular American situation, regardless or not if !@#$%! wants to be your fanboy

The thing about racialized identity politics, is they are imposed on you from the other, from the outside, from the racist structure. Black and brown folks don't necessarily willfully or excitedly adopt these systems, rather, the racist superstructure and minority of elitist white males enforce these structures by force, by default.

We can surely use some of the lessons learned from the experience in Ireland, but there are also certain aspects which simply don't translate.


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