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Originally Posted by the ikara cult

But like you just said, he wasnt creative, he was organised. He took stuff that other people had invented and packaged it in a more appealing way.

People like Thomas Edison and Clive Sinclair have some respect in that there were probably thousands of inventors like them who never made it and toiled away in obscurity, and they probably had a level of dedication that i can admire somewhat. Marketing men will play the percentages and if it doesnt work theyll find another way of making money.

If you wanna make money, fine, just dont expect me to admire you or any of your boilerplate cod-philosophy.

i don't know what cod-philosophy you're talking about but the little fucker was creative-- creativity is not limited to unpaid artists. it takes imagination and conviction to do the shit he did. yes, his partner wozniak was another fucking brilliant person, but he wasn't a business person, he could have been bought and sold 10 times and never make much.

whether you personally resent jobs or not is another story-- you can hate him all you want but that does not take away his visionary (yes, i said that) leadership of the company he founded, was kicked out of, and then rescued from oblivion--after founding fucking pixar, i might add. even if it's leadership at making money, which you apparently detest, it wasn't by selling herba-life or paper diapers, it was by making some really cool shit and blowing everybody else out of the water with quality and beautiful products. he's no holy man, but fuck, he did change the world, whether we like it or not.

anyway, i don't know why i'm trying to convince you, i'm really not, it doesn't matter.

for the record, i'm not an apple cultist, and i have plenty of criticism for that company, but i'd have to be blind to ignore the changes the stalinist little fucker brought to the world. not bad ones, actually-- for my taste anyway.