the loudness war doesnt occur at the production stage, or the producers stage, even if they master it.
most of the time, the label force the already mastered songs to be made louder from a different engineers (sounds like they let it be dne from the janitor).
and THIS of course is a huge problem I think. Because not only the Band / Artist decision is been skipped, also the engineers (producer or not)work to let things sound good to this stage, will be ignored.
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