Originally Posted by pbradders

Poor them.

Originally Posted by gast30

a storie misunderstood
about zen boudhistic monks who where called to join the war
they where forced
and then of course
the blindness of a drag into war
was already on it's way

a drag into war
why does this happens

because people don't or didn't listen to zen boudihism
the philosofy of higher development of nature
and understanding that flow
or yust understanding the natural flow of life

why do speak about this?

to see and learn of war
how people a draged into a war
even if they don't want to or couldn't make up their mind of what is going on

for natural life
your death is meaningless

where here to live and develop humankind
in the best way we can

even if you're alone standing for this
you are still functioning good
1 of 7 billion people

Originally Posted by kinn

no
you fucking moron

because
zen monks have been extremely militaristic throughout history

for you see
they have on numerous occasions, not only approved with the states call for war
but SANCTIONED violence

they have been known to use their very buddhism to provide the religious justification to go to war

for example
to massively simplify their teachings

they teach about how the self or I is part of the web of maya which is
the source of all delusion in the world
and they have said to their peoples in the past something we can paraphrase as
"when you are on the battlefield and plunge your sword into the enemy, don't worry, you are not really killing, detach yourself (in the same way as you would meditate) and realise that you are just a passive observer of a reality which is only an illusion, so observe your blade cutting through the enemies stomach in what is essentially a state of learned disassociation that absolves you of any responsibility for your actions."

so you see, if the people had just listened to their religious leaders
they would have still gone to fucking war
in fact
the buddhist religion exists, (as all religions do) in and amongst a world that is in a perpetual state of conflict, and there is no way you can withdraw from this into a space that erases the potential for war.

and this religion, like most religions if not all of them, is involved in the perptetuation of war and conflict.

this seems to be your longing/delusion. hopefully i have shattered it in such a way that is both logically sound, useful to your thinking and existentially anguishing.

i would have said it nicer without the fucking moron if you learnt to spell and started to think before you spewed this stream of conciousness bullshit onto the board. because maybe then you could reach some new conclusions and get further in your thinking instead of wallowing in this feelgood hippie madness that seems determined to avoid any kind of thought.