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ilduclo 09.30.2017 01:52 PM

Religion thread
 
Let's discuss religion and "spirituality" here.

Starting off, I think it's a totally random universe. No good, no evil behind things, I think both of these are human attributes/'splainations for things we do not understand or are skeerd of..

Severian 09.30.2017 02:22 PM

I believe in Superman, but I understand that Superman almost certainly does not exist and has never existed. I would never try to make anyone believe that Superman does exist, because not even I believe this definitively; rather, I stubbornly hope he does, and I consider that hope to be a form of belief.

I understand that I am making a choice to believe in something that I have no logical reason to believe in. I apply the inverse of the falsifiability principle to my spiritual beliefs, and I maintain that in order for something to be truly knowable, it must be testable and subject to negative proof. Humans do not, at this juncture, possess the information to falsify Superman, so staunchly denying Superman’s existence would be anti-scientific.

I am open to all new information, and I hope someday someone has enough information to definitively say that Superman does or does not exist.

In short, I am an optimistic agnostic. Or Kryptonian Orthodox. Whatevs.

For more, check out my tirades in the Trump thread. :cool:

!@#$%! 10.01.2017 06:54 PM

been staring from the outside waiting for a shitstorm but nothing.

anyway, ex-catholic here. buddhist sympathizer-- not in the religious sense but in the "philosophical" sense not in the western "philosophy" sense but yeah plenty of well developed ideas. i don't "believe" in it but rather find myself in agreement with a lot.

found this little chart the other day.

 


clearly i'm not ready to practice the whole of it but some of it just makes so much sense and notice how there is no santa claus there, except maybe the "cessation of suffering" which is a great concept that gets to the real meat of the problem.

reasonable stuff there for the most part, mostly practical. hocus-pocus not required.

Severian 10.01.2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
been staring from the outside waiting for a shitstorm but nothing.

anyway, ex-catholic here. buddhist sympathizer-- not in the religious sense but in the "philosophical" sense not in the western "philosophy" sense but yeah plenty of well developed ideas. i don't "believe" in it but rather find myself in agreement with a lot.

found this little chart the other day.

 


clearly i'm not ready to practice the whole of it but some of it just makes so much sense and notice how there is no santa claus there, except maybe the "cessation of suffering" which is a great concept that gets to the real meat of the problem.

reasonable stuff there for the most part, mostly practical. hocus-pocus not required.


My Superman thing requires no hocus-pocus. Itís basically like having an imaginary friend that you hope, somehow, might someday not be imaginary. Mine involves Kuhn, so... pretty practical.

Anyway, I have respect for Buddhist philosophies. But Iíd never be a Buddhist, because it ó like being anything ó requires that you insist to know the unknowable.

Iím an ex-catholic too. But I honestly donít see why anyone needs religion. Keep your beliefs in your mind and that should be good. Itís good enough for me anyway. I donít see any need to gather with people that ďbelieveĒ (donít not believe) the same thing. Just another unnecessary division between human beings.

evollove 10.02.2017 07:49 AM

"Buddhism? Ha! Who worships a statue of some fat guy in a chinese restaurant? Retards."

-Richard Dawkins

jk

Bytor Peltor 10.06.2017 04:31 AM

A 15 member team of LDS helped muck out my stepdads flood damaged home a few weeks ago. They were so efficient in how they worked, everyone had a role and did their jobs well.

The entire time, I kept thinking about their "magical underwear" that blocks lustfull thoughts and wondered if it worked the same as lead blocking the effects of kryptonite?


The Curse Of The Black Skin

The Soup Nazi 10.17.2017 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I believe in Superman


This reminds me of something that's been keeping me awake at night (sorry if it's already been discussed on the movies thread or the comic books thread) ó in Batman v Superman, Gotham and Metropolis are just the width of a river apart. We know Gotham is New York, SO... Metropolis is Joizy?

Rob Instigator 10.17.2017 12:00 PM

I feel organized religion is the last great superstition of humanity, keeping us all separate, and maintaining the beliefs/deluded fucking idiocy/dogma that "WE WHO BELIEVE CORRECTLY" are special and "THEY WHO DO NOT" are NOT, and as soon as we are rid of it forever and ever we will arise and evolve into a true humanity.

If we do not, we will destroy ourselves, and hopefully not take the rest of the biosphere with us.

My motto when it comes to all this bullshit is,

YOUR BELIEFS DO NOT APPLY TO ANYONE BUT YOU

Severian 10.17.2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
This reminds me of something that's been keeping me awake at night (sorry if it's already been discussed on the movies thread or the comic books thread) ó in Batman v Superman, Gotham and Metropolis are just the width of a river apart. We know Gotham is New York, SO... Metropolis is Joizy?


Actually, according to a (really stupid and unrealistic) map made by DC, Gotham is actually in New Jersey, and Metropolis is in Connecticut. Oh, and Metropolis only has 77,000 people in it.... so, itís the population of a moderately sized college town, and categorically NOT a metropolis. Same map says Gotham has like 700,000 people, which makes no sense either.

Anyway, they are supposed to be close to each other, and the geography in the comics has changed, but Gotham isnít *actually* New York. Itís a New York, uhh, proxy. And at first it didnít even exist and Batman WAS located in New York, but now it exists in a universe where itís a monstrous city and it exists alongside New York. Metropolis should be somewhere around Philadelphia. But really, both cities are ďNew YorkĒ for all intents and purposes. Yídig?

Donít pay attention to BvS for your DC/Superman/Batman mythology.

The Soup Nazi 10.17.2017 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Actually, according to a (really stupid and unrealistic) map made by DC, Gotham is actually in New Jersey, and Metropolis is in Connecticut. Oh, and Metropolis only has 77,000 people in it.... so, itís the population of a moderately sized college town, and categorically NOT a metropolis. Same map says Gotham has like 700,000 people, which makes no sense either.

Anyway, they are supposed to be close to each other, and the geography in the comics has changed, but Gotham isnít *actually* New York. Itís a New York, uhh, proxy. And at first it didnít even exist and Batman WAS located in New York, but now it exists in a universe where itís a monstrous city and it exists alongside New York. Metropolis should be somewhere around Philadelphia. But really, both cities are ďNew YorkĒ for all intents and purposes. Yídig?


Well this is just perverse.

Rob Instigator 10.17.2017 01:17 PM

Metropolis and Gotham are stand ins for NYC. Those names were created back in the 30's when using actual locations in the real world was not something you did regularly in comics. DC has a history of making up stupid city names for their heroes. The Flash lives in Capital City fr instance.
When Spiderman was created in the 60's Marvel was dedicated to being more realistic, so they set the teenage spiderman as being a New Yorker through and through.

Severian 10.17.2017 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Metropolis and Gotham are stand ins for NYC. Those names were created back in the 30's when using actual locations in the real world was not something you did regularly in comics. DC has a history of making up stupid city names for their heroes. The Flash lives in Capital City fr instance.
When Spiderman was created in the 60's Marvel was dedicated to being more realistic, so they set the teenage spiderman as being a New Yorker through and through.


The Flash does not live in “Capital City.” What?
Central City! Blargh!

Also, you’re wrong because Batman was originally written as living in “New York City.” Also, see locations of the Shadow and other pre-Superman heroes. If anything, DC’s use of stand-ins was unique.

And it’s Spider-Man. Not “Spiderman.” He’s not a dentist. Sooo... yeah.

Severian 10.17.2017 05:27 PM

Just pretend Rob didn’t post and read my post instead. And consult me about dumb comic book stuff because I am clearly the guy who knows the most dumb ass shit. :cool:

Rob Instigator 10.18.2017 08:29 AM

you quoting 1930's hahaha

Severian 10.18.2017 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
you quoting 1930's hahaha


I donít get this but I assume itís a dig, so all I have to say is: itís ď1930sĒ not ď1930ís.Ē

!@#$%! 10.18.2017 12:23 PM

so what year was superman born after all?

and how long did the fucking trip from krypton take?

if you’re gonna have a religion around it you gotta set up a calendar and all that

Severian 10.18.2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
so what year was superman born after all?

and how long did the fucking trip from krypton take?

if youíre gonna have a religion around it you gotta set up a calendar and all that


Wow, this is actually pretty good, productive feedback on Kryptonian Orthodox. Iíll have to review some ďhistoricalĒ documents and run some numbers, but Iím determined to get an answer for this. And Iím not even kind of kidding.

:D

!@#$%! 10.18.2017 02:05 PM

don’t forget the high holidays

Bytor Peltor 10.18.2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
donít forget the high holidays


The Feast of Tabernacles was observed earlier this month......pretty sure it ended on the full moon.

The Gospel According To Marvel

 

Savage Clone 10.18.2017 06:49 PM

I like that the religion thread wound up being more about the equally real Comic Book universe.
Nicely done!


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