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Dr.Mambo 12.28.2016 08:58 PM

Any math rock fans??
 
What're your favourite math rock acts?

Diesel 12.29.2016 09:27 AM

Slint. All Jeff Muellers stuff...and Magnapinna. The new Parlour got boring quick.

evollove 12.29.2016 09:43 AM

I like enough of the genre to throw on a mix now and then. I like the tapping guitar sound. Can't think of any bands I adore, though I'm open to suggestions.

Bytor Peltor 12.29.2016 10:52 AM

Mr. Mambo - WELCOME to SYG! (where-O-where did you live in Alaska?)

We've had the MATH ROCK discussion before......hard to believe it was eight years ago.

I still don't understand why Don Caballero is considered Math Rock?

Severian 12.29.2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
Slint. All Jeff Muellers stuff...and Magnapinna. The new Parlour got boring quick.


You mean Mueller's solo album, or his bands like Rodan, Shipping News, etc.? Not because it matters, just curious.

I was BIG into Rodan and June of 44 when I was a wee boyman, playing in my first couple bands and such. I think Mueller had a major had a massive influence on my guitar playing, as I used to jam on "I Get My Kicks For You" constantly, trying to replicate the sound and vibe of the riff.
I would say Slint did as well, but as a band their sound was defined more by the dynamic between players than by any individual instrument. The result being that you really needed a four-piece band of likeminded individuals to duplicate the sound. Mimicking the guitar parts alone just didn't do it.

Severian 12.29.2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Mr. Mambo - WELCOME to SYG!

We've had the MATH ROCK discussion before......hard to believe it was eight years ago.

I still don't understand why Don Caballero is considered Math Rock?


Really? Well, I'd say listen to American Don and What Burns Never Returns (or listen more) for the best answer to that question. Maybe you're thinking those records are more closely related to post-rock, but really, if you're talking about math-rock as a style defined by changing signatures and organic energy, I actually think American Don might be the purest example of it.

Earlier on they were certainly more metallic, and later on they turned into something tactless and a bit pathetic. But I think they definitely fall into the greater math-rock family. And again, if math rock was ever "mathematical rock," then I think they exemplified that more than a lot of bands that usually get the label.

Severian 12.29.2016 11:17 AM

So in answer to the main question, I guess if you asked me years ago, I'd have said hell yes, love math rock. But now I don't spend much time on it at all, not even the classics. I still love Slint and Rodan and so on, but rarely listen to them.

I think I've had more of a lasting interest with bands that never quite fell under that reductive label, but were still at the very least "math-rock adjacent." Bands like Unwound, Lungfish, Bitch Magnet. Also the stuff Fugazi got into in the second half of the '90s ("Turkish Disco" from Instrument is a great example, as is a lot of the material from End Hits and Argument). Even Gastr Del Sol kinda.

These bands had too broad an approach to music to fall under one sub-genre of a sub-genre, but there are elements of the sound and aesthetic that defined Slint & co. in all of their music.

I don't think math rock quite exists anymore. There was a latter-day renaissance with Hella and Lightning Bolt and, a bit later on, Battles, but the styles morphed and changed and Battles last album had more in common with Discopunk stuff like Holy Fuck than with any vestiges of Don Cab.

Holy shit, Engine Takes to the Water is almost 22 years old. Rusty is 23. Spiderland is more than a quarter century old. Wow.

Toilet & Bowels 12.29.2016 08:58 PM

I always thought of Don Cab as the mathiest of math bands. I still wack them on once in a while. Rodan too, plus their various offshoots. A mathy band that I came across in recent years is Ruby Falls (they aren't new, I'm just catching up) they're kind of like math Babes in Toyland.


Dazzling Killmen just popped into my mind. I had forgotten them and haven't thought about or listened to them in years, I think I will tomorrow, and see how they've held up.

Diesel 01.01.2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
You mean Mueller's solo album, or his bands like Rodan, Shipping News, etc.? Not because it matters, just curious.


This may sound naive but I didn't realise he had a solo album. I was talking about the bands he's played in.

Been looking to catch up on Magnapinna and it seems they've deleted all traces of their first and best 2 releases from all streaming websites like their bandcamp and last fm. Can't even find them on soulseek. Missed their gig in the toon n' all.

Severian 01.01.2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
This may sound naive but I didn't realise he had a solo album. I was talking about the bands he's played in.


Not naive at all.

But yeah, Fold and Perish is his solo album from 1999. Pretty much all acoustic stuff, but close in spirit to June of 44 in particular. You should check it out. Not sure if it's on Spotify but it's on Apple Music and iTunes.

 

GravitySlips 01.02.2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Not naive at all.

But yeah, Fold and Perish is his solo album from 1999. Pretty much all acoustic stuff, but close in spirit to June of 44 in particular. You should check it out. Not sure if it's on Spotify but it's on Apple Music and iTunes.

 


I've been a big Rodan/June of 44 fan for many years and didn't know about this.
Thanks!

Severian 01.02.2017 10:51 AM

No problem. I used to be really into this stuff. Found some nice treasures along the way.

Rob Instigator 01.04.2017 09:31 AM

I used to love seeing bands like A Minor Forest, Paul Newman (Austin TX), Faraquet, etc... never knew which bands were "math rock" and which were not.

Severian 01.04.2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I used to love seeing bands like A Minor Forest, Paul Newman (Austin TX), Faraquet, etc... never knew which bands were "math rock" and which were not.


Wow, A Minor Forest? That's a name I haven't heard in a while. Loved them when I was younger. Nice one.

I also loved Three Mike Pilot, Drive Like Jehu, the aforementioned Bitch Magnet. Oh, and Polvo. Not sure what is and isn't "math-rock" myself. To me, that's not a great descriptor. Isn't it all just basically post-hardcore of some stripe?

Rob Instigator 01.04.2017 12:54 PM

Drive Like Jehu ad Polvo rule. some say mathy, some do not.

pepper_green 01.05.2017 06:43 PM

uh, don't know. I like Slint. Polvo is kinda cool. I have nothing to contribute here. post rock is something im a little better at. I've heard of three band in here. you could just listen to Yes instead. shouldn't Captain Beefheart be math rock too? never understood the meaning. more like prog indie rock.

oh, I got it, calling it Math rock makes it nerdy. because only nerds listen to it. gotcha.

Severian 01.05.2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
uh, don't know. I like Slint. Polvo is kinda cool. I have nothing to contribute here. post rock is something im a little better at. I've heard of three band in here. you could just listen to Yes instead. shouldn't Captain Beefheart be math rock too? never understood the meaning. more like prog indie rock.

oh, I got it, calling it Math rock makes it nerdy. because only nerds listen to it. gotcha.


It's a stupid genre name and should be stricken from the record. It's just post-hardcore often overlapping with post-rock. For instance, you never hear Unwound or Shellac referred to as "math rock" but both bands have almost all the same sonic signifiers as the Slints and Rodans. Also, Squirrel Bait begat Slint, but you never hear them referred to as math-rock.

Instead you hear "emocore" or whatever. Or just plain punk. But June of 44 had more "emocore" elements than SB, and yet they're "math-rock." Makes no bloody sense.

It all comes from the same place. The sound we're talking about was really forged by Sonic Youth, Wire, Big Black, Black Flag. Some fucked confluence of those bands makes the "math-rock" sound that I think eventually peaked in terms of "mathiness" with Americans Don, which basically acted as the blueprint for Hella and Lightning Bolt. It is what it is.

pepper_green 01.05.2017 08:06 PM

well, I love Squirrel Bait but thought of them as something maybe more emo that begat more emo with pre-Fugazi bands. Shellac maybe is more noise rock in the vein of Jesus Lizard.

ur, what a retarded sub term for a sub genre. I like post hardcore better.

Bytor Peltor 01.05.2017 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Really? Well, I'd say listen to American Don and What Burns Never Returns (or listen more) for the best answer to that question.


Guess I don't hear things the same as others......or it's probably because I suck at math :D

PLips 01.07.2017 09:04 AM

This isn't really math 'rock' yet it's math sound
My research into bitmap circuits with xyz axis designation
For chords has been on the backburner, but when I do get back to it i'll post in this thread again. The diagrams are still there if you right click on the angelfire dud images. I couldn't afford my webhost anymore.

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...t=noise+shapes


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