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tesla69 03.15.2016 05:59 PM

the driverless cashless society
 
The transational corporates are pushing their elected vassals to criminalize cash and driving. Cash is liberty and driving is liberty. The corporates can't make any money on that. They want you to use your little device to make payments, so they can all take a little snip of it down the path. Right now, you happily let them do that because they have all these gimmicks they have the audacity to call 'cash back' - they give you back a couple of points from the points they take from the seller. Once you have no choice but to use your device or card - so that every transaction can be tracked back to an individual - these "cash back" offers will go away. You'll just be grateful to be allowed to buy things, just like you've been trained successfully to be grateful the TSA let you on a plane, or on a train, or into a sports event, or into a mall, or into your school, or where ever the Federal Police set up. Driverless will be the same thing, now they will be able to tax you for your useage, in addition to your gas tax and excise taxes and property tax and income tax and all the other taxes they use for roads. Cashless is fascist. Its that simple. There will be a secret no pay list just like there is a secret no travel list.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.15.2016 06:43 PM

You did realize these very same arguments were made against having a central bank or a national currency yes? I'm not saying you're entirely wrong so much as make sure you fully think this through.

So are suggesting a "cash economy" is necessary "more free"?

greenlight 03.16.2016 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
The transational corporates are pushing their elected vassals to criminalize cash and driving. Cash is liberty and driving is liberty. The corporates can't make any money on that. They want you to use your little device to make payments, so they can all take a little snip of it down the path. Right now, you happily let them do that because they have all these gimmicks they have the audacity to call 'cash back' - they give you back a couple of points from the points they take from the seller. Once you have no choice but to use your device or card - so that every transaction can be tracked back to an individual - these "cash back" offers will go away. You'll just be grateful to be allowed to buy things, just like you've been trained successfully to be grateful the TSA let you on a plane, or on a train, or into a sports event, or into a mall, or into your school, or where ever the Federal Police set up. Driverless will be the same thing, now they will be able to tax you for your useage, in addition to your gas tax and excise taxes and property tax and income tax and all the other taxes they use for roads. Cashless is fascist. Its that simple. There will be a secret no pay list just like there is a secret no travel list.


Exactly! War On Cash Is War On Freedom!

and all that smart cars, smart fridges, smart phones, smart houses technology...."so cool".

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.16.2016 07:42 AM

Remind who prints the cash and determines its value?

dead_battery 03.16.2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Remind who prints the cash and determines its value?


that would be that government thing americans like to pretend they're above and can do without

greenlight 03.16.2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Remind who prints the cash and determines its value?


same freaking banksters cabal who wants to have even more control it seems.

looks like Sweden, Canada and Finland are among first countries pushing the idea of getting rid of the cash completly.

 

tesla69 03.17.2016 11:35 AM

But our money will be perfectly safe! Even at the Central Banks! Its only $81 MM anyway.

http://gothamist.com/2016/03/17/smoo..._million_f.php

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.17.2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dead_battery
that would be that government thing americans like to pretend they're above and can do without

Ding ding ding we have a winner..

Hence why im trying to figure out the logic behind how cash somehow equals freedom?

greenlight 03.18.2016 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Hence why im trying to figure out the logic behind how cash somehow equals freedom?


If society becomes cashless, dissenters can’t hide cash. All of their financial holdings would be vulnerable to an attack by the government.

This would be the ultimate form of control. Because – without access to money – people couldn’t resist, couldn’t hide and couldn’t escape.

If all money becomes digital, it would be much easier for the government to manipulate our accounts.

But the agenda will be about how convenient it is to go fully electronic plus how it will eliminate the underground economy and moreover that it will even prevent a banking crisis (yeah, right).

greenlight 03.18.2016 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
But our money will be perfectly safe! Even at the Central Banks! Its only $81 MM anyway.

http://gothamist.com/2016/03/17/smoo..._million_f.php


i red about it the other day..."amazing",.

dead_battery 03.18.2016 05:37 PM

so LEARN SOME FUCKIN 'PUTER then

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.18.2016 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by greenlight
If society becomes cashless, dissenters can’t hide cash. All of their financial holdings would be vulnerable to an attack by the government.


Sure but legal tender is official govt property. Using cash isn't exactly escaping the govt evenif offers anonymity.
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This would be the ultimate form of control. Because – without access to money – people couldn’t resist, couldn’t hide and couldn’t escape.

Sure but can't you see that even cash itself is the same form of slavery, its just house slavery instead of field slavery!

greenlight 03.20.2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Sure but can't you see that even cash itself is the same form of slavery, its just house slavery instead of field slavery!


100% true and I fully agree. the whole monetary system (since 18 hundreds upwards especially) is one big enslavment. and we are so entangled into it that it is impossible to see the way out of it by now.

though I heard/red some alternative currencies, small local economy communities, barter trade would be the way to go, but that would need to take some radical changes....anyways, imagining to go fully cashless seems even less freedom...I don't know, eventhough I like technology and it is convenient pay with plastic, to have only that option, I don't know.

dead_battery 03.20.2016 05:18 PM

atavist bs that would lead to the same system we already had

Drjohnrock 03.20.2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by greenlight

though I heard/red some alternative currencies, small local economy communities, barter trade would be the way to go, but that would need to take some radical changes




Yes, it would take some radical changes indeed, since the Internal Revenue Service sees them as a dodge for the usual money in return for goods and/or services. They see bartered transactions as taxable events.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.21.2016 12:00 AM

Money was invented thousands of years ago precisely for tax purposes. But people accepted USING it and volunteering to pay the taxes because of the economic benefits of using currency over bartering and direct trade.

tesla69 03.22.2016 09:04 AM

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/02...tely-cashless/

latest-version-of-monopoly-is-called-ultimate-banking-and-is-completely-cashless

dead_battery 03.22.2016 02:09 PM

non atavists should download ethereum today and set aside a small portion of their savings into crypto asap

pepper_green 03.23.2016 08:06 PM

cashless? you mean like credit? that means I can buy all the crack I want. I need to get me one of those smart phones.

no, really. I don't understand terms like cashless and driverless. could someone explain this to me. you guys are so involved and radical. I really don't give a shit about none of this though curious. please tell me how the government is fucking me.

tesla69 03.24.2016 07:48 AM

basically the point is you won't ever hold money in your hand. It will be held by some entity. If you do something or say something or get hacked and end up on their list for any reason you'll go on the No Money list.

They might give you a hard time, but now you can go to a bank and withdraw your money. The coming cashless society will not permit you to do that.

This is what is radical. We are not radical. We're fucking normal. The cell phonie assholes are abnormal.


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