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jon boy 07.08.2006 07:47 AM

beefheart vs zappa
 
just to get on the poll bandwagon and hopefully get rid of some of the hate and rubbish posts that are floating around, although i fully expect this to turn into a slanging match.

they grew up together, worked together but then hated eachother and couldnt even speak or be in the same room. so who is the one for you?

johnnywinternoshow 07.08.2006 07:54 AM

no question beefheart all the way

nomadicfollower 07.08.2006 10:37 AM

Beefheart, in my opinion, was much more creative with his music then Zappa was...so Beefheart.

Lurker 07.08.2006 11:14 AM

I like both, but voted Zappa. I think people are bored of this subject

porkmarras 07.08.2006 11:27 AM

Easy.

against_the_grain 07.08.2006 11:36 AM

Tiger Roach !

Lurker 07.08.2006 12:01 PM

Is that guy at the computer looking at porn? Is that why he's naked?

porkmarras 07.08.2006 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon boy
just to get on the poll bandwagon and hopefully get rid of some of the hate and rubbish posts that are floating around, although i fully expect this to turn into a slanging match.

they grew up together, worked together but then hated eachother and couldnt even speak or be in the same room. so who is the one for you?

Can you blame Beefheart for that?

against_the_grain 07.08.2006 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lurker
Is that guy at the computer looking at porn? Is that why he's naked?



Yep.....and that's me !!! :D

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 07.08.2006 01:03 PM

Beefheart kicks Zappa's ass.

khchris(original) 07.09.2006 12:23 PM

Zappa. Beefheart wouldn't be shit without the magic band, who made all the music.

khchris(original) 07.09.2006 12:25 PM

Kinda shocked that people picked Beefheart. Do people know that it was THE MAGIC BAND and not him that made the music? Maybe people don't really know as much about Capt. Beefheart as they think they do? I dunno.

Zappa all the way. Nobody can hold a candle to Zappa (solo or with MOI).

khchris(original) 07.09.2006 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadicfollower
Beefheart, in my opinion, was much more creative with his music then Zappa was...so Beefheart.


You mean "the magic band was much more creative with their music than Zappa"?

Nope. Zappa expanded his music territory where the magic band didn't expand hardly at all. although interesting, they really didn't push music like Zappa and Zappa did it for decades.

Also, Zappa was much better conceptually and his music was way more diverse.

You people need to check out Zappa before making such claims. I have a feeling some of you don't really have any idea the scope of Zappa's music and talent.

What a shame for one of the greatest musicians ever.

EyeballGrowth 07.09.2006 01:55 PM

Zappa was a better musician, Beefheart was a better poet. Infact beefheart in my opinion was a master of poetry. I gotta say Zappa made better music though, as much as I love Beefheart.

The Shiny beast of thought, if you got ears, you gotta listen


Old women sweat, young girls glisten

The extract you got is the extract you got. Hop on the dot. X Extract

Drop by drop, light by bright, night by light

amazing poetry if you ask me, and I'm not even a huge poetry fan

Iain 07.09.2006 02:00 PM

Diverse doesn't always mean good though. When push comes to shove I have enjoyed maybe a handful of Zappa tracks compared to pretty much everything of Beefhearts I have heard (bar a couple of bad albums...and the bad ones are pretty bad)

Zappa is way too self conciously 'zany' which gets on my tits I'm afraid.

jon boy 07.09.2006 02:11 PM

beefheart wins for me. although i do love some zappa stuff but just his craziness and methods alone, plus his artwork win it for the captian.

EyeballGrowth 07.10.2006 07:55 PM

Zappa isn't zany at all dude. Unless you count You are What you Is or Joe's Garage, nothing else he's done is zany. One Size Fits all, Were only in it for the money, Zoot Allures, Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Jazz from hell, Uncle Meat, Freak Out, Civilization, none of that stuff is Zany at all. I say Zappa wins because of his classical compositions and guitar melodies. Sofa #1 & #2, RDNZL, Holiday in Berlin, that kind of stuff, and all his stuff with the mothers

Beefheart is close behind though I think. He may not have been as talented as Zappa, but he practically devised a whole new way of making music.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 07.10.2006 07:58 PM

I havne't heard enough of either to decide. A few tracks each.

Daddylikes 07.10.2006 07:58 PM

Beefheart wouldn't have ever recorded a note if it hadn't been for F.Z.

This shouldn't even be a contest.

Zappa rulez!

Cantankerous 07.10.2006 09:41 PM

We've all got a little Captain in us.


It doesn't come down to the fucking ethics of it, it comes down to who I like better. And I like Beefheart better.


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