this last one is terrible

when I first heard Deftones they got lumped in with "Numetal" like Limp Bizkit and other assosciated rubbishness, i havent liked their singles from recent albums, but theyre a shot better than The Hold Steady, Razorlight, Muse, to name but three colossal loads of shit that have become big. I shall give it a go, i expect a Deftones album

I felt that at first honestly, cuz it was not that classic metal guitar with hip hop drumbeats.. abe cunninghan is one of my all time favorite drummers..

but then I got used to it and it is a fantastic record, and it is much better live I must say..

ironically for most deftones fans it was a grow on you kinda album, but I noticed it attracted A LOT of newbies, including some of those folks who used to shit talk and hate so it clearly worked for them..

no. I have gotten a lot of internet shit too.. especially on SYG. search 'deftones' and see for yourself
for example this was posted 2day..

Well, Rob doesn't really know much about music, as he's proven many times, so...

Deftones are one of few bands from a specific era that still hold any artistic credibility as far as I'm concerned. Unlike the majority of their contemporaries, they've successfully managed to evolve in such a way that has seemed age-appropriate.

Jon Davis still bitching about high school trauma is a bit weird.

Deftones aren't a favorite, but I can respect them. They always managed to fall under my idea of what "post hardcore" should sound like. I can hear the Bad Brains and Fear in what they do...just much more melodic and with their own twist. Can't really compare them to too many other bands. I'm personally convinced that most people feel as if they suck, really haven't taken the time to listen to them.

Around the Fur is a great record, even still.

at least he doesn't pretend to know more about music than the others

Rob seems cool. I gather he's one of few people here that legitimately qualify as "old school". This, to me, means he's likely heard tons of music in his day in which he'll naturally compare most newer music to. It's natural, I'm sure. You know, why listen to S.C.U.M when you can listen to Throbbing Gristle? Why listen to Jet when you can listen to the Stooges? Why listen to the Donnas when you can listen to the Ramones.? Maybe Rob likes the Donnas?

I can't be sure.

Atsonicpark seems cool as well. Seems he takes in music the way most visual/film artists do. I'd guess he relates to it differently than Rob. That's probably natural as well.

It's possible that I'm wrong about everything. It's 4 o'clock in the morning, and seeing my cat sleeping on the ottoman does little other than remind me how exhausted I myself am.

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I've read this post 10 times and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I doubt you're trying to insult me here, since I've never "pretended" to know anything -- nor have I condescended to anyone for knowing "less" -- so I'm kinda confused if that's directed at me; either way, I'll attempt to respond...

I like Rob a lot, I think the world of him, in fact. I'm just saying: I wouldn't trust his opinion on certain types of music, when his musical interests are pretty narrow (which I'm sure he'd even admit.. ROCK ROCK ROCK!). I wouldn't trust his opinion on the Deftones, because I think making a statement like "Deftones suck" when I bet he hasn't even listened to a full album is pretty "pretend", actually -- I dunno, I just try to give everything a fair chance; hell, I've heard nearly the entire Mars Volta catalogue, and I HATE them. But at least I can say I actually listened to their music, closely, and can form a decent opinion on it.

...But, hey, all I've pretty much listened to is techno and EAI for the past year, so I'm not really a good person to talk to about shit either...

But yeah, if that was an insult towards me, uhm, I'm sorry I listen to and play music so much?! Or something?! I have nothing to prove, nor do I think it's my opinion is the only one that matters... I respect everyone's opinion, and I give everything a fair listen before I write it off.

Deftones forever.

ps: Thanks for the rep, Glice, haha...

I did not want to insult you, dude, was just pulling yr leg :)

Ah, it read that way after getting off a 9 hour shift. But I wasn't sure.

Rob kicks all kinds of ass but I'm afraid I would agree with ASP about this. Many times has he dismissed beautiful or brilliant music because he can't "rock out" to it.

but it's not really appropriate to bash him for that, right? I mean, we all have our own tastes in music and noone here is to judge what is right and what is wrong here. I won't bash atsonicpark for liking music that I think is shit (Thinking Fellers Union Local 282 or Caroliner, just to name two) or Nicfit, because he finds drone (which i adore) boring.
But then again, i'm drunk, and, as we all know, posting on a message board while drunk is wrong.

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I've never "bashed". I'm just saying, I wouldn't trust his opinion on the 'Tones... just like people wouldn't trust my opinion on, uh, country or something. Seems pretty obvious.

that was brilliant. I haven't got to have an intelligent musical discussion about the deftones in years.. what I like about either deftones or even sonic youth, is that they evolve and grow as musicians, instead of pouring out the same ol' thing year after year, milking it to the extreme. I like that deftones kept their sound, but evolved and grew into it more and more, so that it progressed, without ever changing to the point of 'selling out' or just becoming too different (as happens with band's progression over time, sometimes they change and evolve in directions you don't like, I adore the first System of a Down album, that one is all, I abhor the rest, absolutely unlistenable)

Further, I think age-appropriate is one of the best descriptions, deftones is a band that has grown up while we as fans have grown up with them, through our teens, 20s, 30s etc etc.. and the music reflects these changes over the years, so that as I have said on another thread which was mashed down completely by the haterz, deftones has been a soundtrack for my life for the past 12/13 years since i got Around the Fur..

Each album has come out in such serious and transitional times in my life, that the memories and feelings are encapsulated in the dreary ambient guitar work and obscure poetic lyrics.

finally gave the album a full listen to a few times through last night, it is different, very different, with hints of classic deftones. the drum work is what stands out as the most changed, a bit less impressive but it will grow on me. It is however a very bad ass album, and I am excited to have it. deftones always comes out with a new album at major transition phases in my life, interesting this one comes out in the same kind of vibe for me.

It gets better and better as you listen, but I just wish they'd mix it up a bit more. There's a few really surprising moments (like the end of the first song) but a few too many follow the same vein.. screamed verses, pretty singing choruses, on and on. That was the main problem with s/t though this is a LOT better than that album (note how nearly every song on s/t strarts out EXACTLY the same... lo-fi solo version of guitar riff for 4 measures, then goes into the produced, distorted, loud main riff... nearly every song! Weird as hell). Saturday Night Wrist was a GREAT album, full of tons of interesting detours. Too bad it has the worst song ever made on it though (Pink Cellphone).

This album's good though.

I still need to listen to the new album in it's entirety. Checked out a couple tracks on youtube. Not bad. A bit more straight forward sounding Deftones, but still cool. Sometimes it can be good to take a step back from attempting something innovative, and just rock out. It's fun. If Deftones have proved one thing, it's that they are not scared to take chances. Any artist worth their salt does.

I remember thinking White Pony was a bold move. Certainly took a few listens for me to be able to really appreciate that one.

Just listened to their version of Simple Man...haha. Any time a band of their nature is willing to cover Skynyrd (and not in a jokey kind of way) it's a bold as fuck move.