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E. Noisefield 11.22.2011 07:06 PM

Possible Replacements for.... Sonic Youth???
 
Fuck exchanging band members as vital as jugular veins, that's just not going to happen and we don't want it to happen. Would it be "cool" if Kim Deal started singing for the band? I don't know. Probably, for the spectacle. But it would not be Sonic Youth.

That said, if the band's over..... who's next? Who is going to step up and occupy the position SY has held as the godfathers of a genre? They definitely hold rank, based on both age and influence, and I don't see any bands around that are fit to take their place (in the music world; not in our hearts and minds, of course.... that place is sacred).

Any ideas?

Another meaningless speculative question, but that's what this shit is for.

EVOLghost 11.22.2011 08:21 PM

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ann ashtray 11.22.2011 09:11 PM

I don't think any band can really "replace" the Youth. I mean, they are still a band whether active or not.

I do think, even though I'm personally not a serious fan, a lot of kids will end up feeling the same way about Deerhunter as I do SY. Their fans tend to respond to them in similar ways, at least around here....but then again, Deerhunter is from my neck of the woods. Saw 'em during the "Turn it up Faggot" days, which personally was my favorite time for that band. Bradford is a super nice guy. Moses is too. Never met the rest of 'em.

EVOLghost 11.22.2011 10:07 PM

lol deeeeeehunturrrrr

Inhuman 11.23.2011 12:36 AM

The replacements.

Inhuman 11.23.2011 12:37 AM

Oh my, was that a bad pun I said? My golly!

monostereo 11.23.2011 03:03 AM

SY

Is

Not

Over.



Period.

Mortte Jousimo 11.23.2011 03:04 AM

I donīt think any band can replace SY as I think anyone canīt replace for example Tom Waits. But my world doesnīt end if the SY splits altough I still think itīs the greatest band in the world at the moment. Itīs just a circle of life, also artists and bands start and end. And I think itīs a good thing that things start and end, I think it would be very boring if something just continuing forever. Well the Life is continuing forever, but it changes all the time.

_slavo_ 11.23.2011 03:54 AM

Stupid thread brought to you by stupid user.

Mortte Jousimo 11.23.2011 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
Stupid thread brought to you by stupid user.

Well, I donīt think E. Noise is stupid. Itīs just that people have difficulties to stand uncertain these days.

Screaming Skull 11.23.2011 09:46 AM

One word, four syllables: Kajagoogoo. Duh. I'm jumping over to their 'gossip' page now...

syouth69 11.23.2011 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monostereo
SY

Is

Not

Over.



Period.


I'm with you and I hope so...

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
Stupid thread brought to you by stupid user.


Brilliant.

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ann ashtray
I don't think any band can really "replace" the Youth. I mean, they are still a band whether active or not.

I do think, even though I'm personally not a serious fan, a lot of kids will end up feeling the same way about Deerhunter as I do SY. Their fans tend to respond to them in similar ways, at least around here....but then again, Deerhunter is from my neck of the woods. Saw 'em during the "Turn it up Faggot" days, which personally was my favorite time for that band. Bradford is a super nice guy. Moses is too. Never met the rest of 'em.


I felt the same way about Deerhunter for a while. But I'm starting to wonder if they're up to it. Yes, Turn it up Faggot, Cryptograms, etc. were very SY reminiscent, but I don't see them really doing anything new.

Really it's just a questions of whether or not the tradition started by the Velvet Underground will be continued, and whether there's a band out there capable of leading its continuation.

monostereo 11.23.2011 02:43 PM

As amazing as the Velvet Underground were, I always think of them as being one of the most overrated bands of all time. I think "The Parable Of Arable Land" and "God Bless...." by The Red Crayola are much more reminiscent of so-called "free music" and "avant-noise - indie Rock" than anything else that was recorded in 1967/68. The Velvet Underground are great, though, I do have all their records and highly worship them because they made some real good music, wrote great songs etc, but personally I never thought of them as being a main influence on Sonic Youth, although VU surely paved the way for "avantgarde noise" within a "song" context.... VU were more of a "folk" influenced band, SY is more "punk rock".... I would say Can is more of a predecessor to SY than any other band, in a way how they put together their musical work through improvisation (although Can came from a more classically trained jazz background).
Motorpsycho from Norway definitely follow the SY tradition, although they come from heavy rock (Sabbath) and mix it with SY elements....

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 03:06 PM

Really, not that I care, but I've seen far stupider, more inane topics in this forum than this one. I sulk now.

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monostereo
As amazing as the Velvet Underground were, I always think of them as being one of the most overrated bands of all time. I think "The Parable Of Arable Land" and "God Bless...." by The Red Crayola are much more reminiscent of so-called "free music" and "avant-noise - indie Rock" than anything else that was recorded in 1967/68. The Velvet Underground are great, though, I do have all their records and highly worship them because they made some real good music, wrote great songs etc, but personally I never thought of them as being a main influence on Sonic Youth, although VU surely paved the way for "avantgarde noise" within a "song" context.... VU were more of a "folk" influenced band, SY is more "punk rock".... I would say Can is more of a predecessor to SY than any other band, in a way how they put together their musical work through improvisation (although Can came from a more classically trained jazz background).
Motorpsycho from Norway definitely follow the SY tradition, although they come from heavy rock (Sabbath) and mix it with SY elements....


True. Can might be a better comparison.

Murmer99 11.23.2011 04:10 PM

don't mind slavo. He's a dick.

EVOLghost 11.23.2011 04:44 PM

Ok ok. If you guys are seriously talking about someone replacing SY. You're stupid. Can a band replace another band? Fuck no.

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murmer99
don't mind slavo. He's a dick.


I just don't get why people respond so arrogantly and heatedly to stuff posted on here. It's like.... why bother?

Murmer99 11.23.2011 05:03 PM

The identity of SY will never be duplicated. I'm sure most of us know that already. It is interesting though to wonder if after the resignation of the band there will ever be a new band or one currently that can evolve into something as exciting or innovative. I don't foresee it happening anytime soon. Of course it remains surmised, but hopefully one will come along eventually with that unpredictability and spark and ability to create something important.

Edit - this was sort of a response to evol

Genteel Death 11.23.2011 05:03 PM

slavo is one of the stars of this forum. I'll get my bodyguards to sort you out. Enough is enough.

Murmer99 11.23.2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
I just don't get why people respond so arrogantly and heatedly to stuff posted on here. It's like.... why bother?


yeah. No big deal or anything but it is unnecessary to insult random users because they make a thread or two that doesn't interest you. Oh well.

Genteel Death 11.23.2011 05:06 PM

They'll Sonic Youth you well and good, buddy.

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EVOLghost
Ok ok. If you guys are seriously talking about someone replacing SY. You're stupid. Can a band replace another band? Fuck no.



Man, I don't mean literally. Of course it's not literal!!!

It's figurative. Jesus christ.

I just mean: WHO'S NEXT, basically. As in, do you think there are any little baby Sonic Youth's out there who will carry us into the next era?

Christ on a stick!

khchris 11.23.2011 05:37 PM

husker du

E. Noisefield 11.23.2011 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murmer99
The identity of SY will never be duplicated. I'm sure most of us know that already. It is interesting though to wonder if after the resignation of the band there will ever be a new band or one currently that can evolve into something as exciting or innovative. I don't foresee it happening anytime soon. Of course it remains surmised, but hopefully one will come along eventually with that unpredictability and spark and ability to create something important.

Edit - this was sort of a response to evol



Right.

Nobody's saying they are literally replaceable.

But either the avant-noise-rock genre will continue, or it will die. To continue, it needs new blood and innovation.

Does anybody know of a band that might have 30 years worth of awesomeness in them? A band with "SY potential"?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.23.2011 06:55 PM

interestingly, I saw a report on BBC World which was suggesting the same kind of problem in mainstream music as a whole, with the market being dominated by nothing but "heritage" groups that have been holding it down for decades. I adore most of these still playing heritage groups, and SY is definitely in that category after three continuous decades, however young artists are unable to get the kind of airplay, media coverage, and touring support because all the OGs are still running the game..

however Kurt was right..

"this is to all the dinosaurs out there, who will die, and then we will move into their homes.."

Derek 11.23.2011 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murmer99
don't mind slavo. He's a dick.

Probably, but he's right.

ann ashtray 11.24.2011 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EVOLghost
Ok ok. If you guys are seriously talking about someone replacing SY. You're stupid. Can a band replace another band? Fuck no.


I agree, sorta...but that one still depends on how you look at it.

Mortte Jousimo 11.24.2011 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monostereo
As amazing as the Velvet Underground were, I always think of them as being one of the most overrated bands of all time. I think "The Parable Of Arable Land" and "God Bless...." by The Red Crayola are much more reminiscent of so-called "free music" and "avant-noise - indie Rock" than anything else that was recorded in 1967/68. The Velvet Underground are great, though, I do have all their records and highly worship them because they made some real good music, wrote great songs etc, but personally I never thought of them as being a main influence on Sonic Youth, although VU surely paved the way for "avantgarde noise" within a "song" context.... VU were more of a "folk" influenced band, SY is more "punk rock".... I would say Can is more of a predecessor to SY than any other band, in a way how they put together their musical work through improvisation (although Can came from a more classically trained jazz background).
Motorpsycho from Norway definitely follow the SY tradition, although they come from heavy rock (Sabbath) and mix it with SY elements....


The Red Crayola sounded very great to me and Iīm going to listen them more but still...I think VU is lot greater and more personal band and really doing something almost anybody else didnīt do that time. The Red Crayola sounded more like early Pink Floyd, 13th Floor Elevators and Pretty Things at that time.

But I also have been wondered, is there a tradition that started with VU and continued in SY? Of course VU influences are heard in SY music, but so there are also lots of other influences. Maybe only real unifying factor is that both bands havenīt been part of the bigger pop movement in their careers, but doing very personal, own stuff. Although I think popular culture has degenarated since the mid-seventies, I believe there always will born at least few new creative, interesting bands. And I donīt believe it will not be a good start to any band to try to continue "SY-tradition", of course all the bands have influences, but if you try to put your influences intentionally in your music, I donīt believe you can make interesting, creative music.

E. Noisefield 11.24.2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
Probably, but he's right.


And brilliant! And important! And eloquent!

Genteel Death 11.24.2011 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss
Say what you will about me, but talk about my boy E. Noisefield, well....

his jaw's in for a crushin


Do you know what my favourite food is? Raw chicken tits. That's how hard I am.

E. Noisefield 11.24.2011 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Do you know what my favourite food is? Raw chicken tits. That's how hard I am.


Mine's raw cow dick.

_slavo_ 11.25.2011 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss
Slavo is a punk. I'll kick his pony ridin ass.


I'm just about to start crying.

you want that? you really want that?

Mortte Jousimo 11.25.2011 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
interestingly, I saw a report on BBC World which was suggesting the same kind of problem in mainstream music as a whole, with the market being dominated by nothing but "heritage" groups that have been holding it down for decades. I adore most of these still playing heritage groups, and SY is definitely in that category after three continuous decades, however young artists are unable to get the kind of airplay, media coverage, and touring support because all the OGs are still running the game..

however Kurt was right..

"this is to all the dinosaurs out there, who will die, and then we will move into their homes.."


I think itīs not reasonable to blame artists and companies about that situation. Itīs the people who want those heritage artists. If nobody bought their records or went into their gigs, there would been soon support from the companies to the new artists. I think people wants those heritage artists, because this world is these days quite uncertain and people want to listen something safe, not fresh and renewed music.

Parodoxically most of my favourite artists are also "the old ones" (only one album Iīve bought this year is made by artist who started 2000-decade). But my reason is not that I want safe music. Itīs just that Iīve heard so much music that itīs hard to find anything nobody has ever made (of course I know itīs very rare anybody make something completely new in popular music, but I mean unique, personal mix of older elements). Of course I know somebody new is still making great music, but there is also new music in this world so much that itīs hard to find the great ones (anything that Iīve heard for example here in SYG hasnīt touched me, of course Iīve not heard all that is recommended). When some of my favourite old artists still make fresh, great music, why donīt I listen them instead trying to find new artists? To me itīs quite the same, is artist new or old. And I have also record-collector nature, so if the old artist could offer me new fresh records, I want to collect all his records.

_slavo_ 11.25.2011 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss
pussy:fuckyou:


nice to meet you.

EVOLghost 11.25.2011 11:44 AM

the only replacement for sonic youth is death.

_slavo_ 11.25.2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverasskiss

Hello slavo. I'm Russian-Canadian


Hello. I am Slavo and I don't fucking care who you are.

E. Noisefield 11.25.2011 04:47 PM

Anybody who read this title (or worse yet, actually read the thread) and thought that I was proposing a literal replacement is probably either learning disabled, or non-English speaking, and somehow the way I phrased the nature of SY as symbols escaped them.

By the way, I don't know of any bands who are up to the task. None. This generation is painfully lacking in significant noise-rock bands, despite all the "noise-rock" bands it's been spitting out by the thousands.

And hey, foreverasskiss... Wolf Eyes does suck at times, but they were pretty badass back in the early auts. I haven't been keeping track of them, not for years, but I remember liking their split with Black Dice and seeing them live a few times. It was enjoyable.


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