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The Watcher 04.23.2011 11:28 PM

Are they doing a 20th anniversary version of Nevermind?
 
Will they?

Should they?

I mean I bet they could do a good job with this sort of thing, like the Bleach reissue..... I mean I bet there are some grimm demos or some brutal live sets and the like lurking in the shadows........ Record companies are all about making money I'll have you know, I'm surprised to find little to no information on such a potentially profitable scheme/enterprise.........

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.23.2011 11:54 PM

They'll most likely release something closely related to that album, if not a remastered version with some filler, although Nirvana's whole discography has all been remastered recently from the original analog tapes and released in 180 gram vinyl format. You might think it won't make sense to release another one so soon, but one never knows what's going on in the minds of the people who are in charge of all things Nirvana these days.



 

Surely something will be announced soon. There's an official Nirvana website that has just recently gone online:
http://pages.umusic-mail.com/nirvana
At the moment, it doesn't offer any content other than a subscription form for getting newsletters.

One of the benefits of the album's anniversary for us Sonic Youth fans at least, is certainly that "1991: The Year Punk Broke" is gonna be finally released after many years of unfulfilled expectations.

Fantagraphic Books has released a book, "Taking Punk to the Masses: From Nowhere to Nevermind - A Visual History from the Permanent Collection of Experience Music Project", in relation to the exhibit currently taking place at Experience Music Project Museum in Seattle, Washington.


 

Link to purchase the book:
http://www.fantagraphics.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.f lypage&product_id=1993&category_id=16&manufacturer _id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=62&vmcchk=1&Ite mid=62

Some info about the exhibit:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nirvana10.html

RanaldoNecro 04.24.2011 02:59 PM

I don't really need a re-vist. Once I get saturarted with an album I never go back.

The Watcher 04.24.2011 03:46 PM

Nevermind was the hardest for me to reacquaint myself with, I had taken a looooooong break from the band and I was totally happy to be able to pick up incesticide, in utero and bleach in the used bin for $5 each and then found a copy of Nevermind at my wife's mothers house, it's a great record although k still bypass "smells like teen spirit" due to total and complete oversaturation, but I think I'd be more interest in live and demo stuff than a straight ahead volume war remaster...... I was just so impressed with the Sub Pop reissues of late (Bleach, Mudhoney, etc) but I forget it's DGC that'd be doing this one..... although those Sonic Youth ones are really well done I think......

Aaaaaaanyway, I think those demos above will be great, thanks for the link!

RanaldoNecro 04.24.2011 04:24 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFYdtC5IuE

never heard that one. and I've heard many of them.

chrome noise tape 04.24.2011 05:42 PM

who are they?, please don't tell me the grunge widow need money...any way bleach it's my nirvana album.

The Watcher 04.24.2011 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrome noise tape
who are they?, please don't tell me the grunge widow need money...any way bleach it's my nirvana album.


If you say it out loud you wake up and there's a cows head in your bed...... you're messing with forces I don't think your mind can even comprehend.......


Quote:

Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter


I wish I could un-see this :( ..........

noisereductions 04.24.2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RanaldoNecro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFYdtC5IuE

never heard that one. and I've heard many of them.


um isn't this the version on WITH THE LIGHTS OUT ?

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.24.2011 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrome noise tape
who are they?, please don't tell me the grunge widow need money...any way bleach it's my nirvana album.

Speculation and re-hash of ideas expressed in the past, below (and long-ass post so maybe you all might wanna skip it):

"Nobody's Daughter" (and the return of Hole to performing live) was a flop, wasn't it? She still surely has enough money for candies, but some more won't hurt her finances. Let's keep in mind that there are Nirvana or Kurt Cobain items officially released almost perpetually, such as: The "Cobain Unseen" book, the ORG remasters, "Hormoaning" 7" Record Store Day exclusive... She's hardly the only party involved in this, though. Kind of hard to know who are all of those people that would have a piece of the Nirvana cake (and maybe that's why The Watcher didn't even try to give out names), but here's my lame attempt at making a list of the people that would most likely get a bit of money from the sales of a potential 20th anniversary edition of "Nevermind", it surely will inevitably fail to include everyone: Nirvana LLC; Nirvana's record label (Universal Music) and management, all people who participated in the making of the record who have the right to royalties besides the band, this includes Butch Vig, who produced the album; Andy Wallace for mixing it; Kirk Canning (he contributed cello on "Something In The Way"); Chad Channing (Played drums on that particular version of "Polly" when it was demoed at Sound City Studios and the demo ended up being the final version on the album after some tweaking in the studio); Robert Fisher and Michael Lavine for their contributions in design and photography; Spencer Elden for being the naked baby on the cover, etc....

A few years ago Courtney Love put for sale a percentage (20% if i remember correctly) of the copyrights to the Nirvana catalog, it was rumored that U2's Bono was eagerly trying to purchase it through his firm, Elevation Partners. I don't know if he actually did buy it and don't feel like looking that up, in case he did he'd be getting money out of the sales of who knows how many Nirvana releases, surely "Nevermind" included.

Anyway, if the many parts with financial interests in Nirvana would get to an agreement to only permit We Got Power Films to release the DVD of "1991: The Year Punk Broke" and absolutely none other thing, i guess i'd be satisfied with that although i'm aware there are Nirvana live recordings worthy of an official release (November 25, 1990 at the Off Ramp, although supposedly the master tape of the encore was destroyed and no audio files exist other than those sourced from MP3s; November 25, 1991 at Paradiso in The Netherlands; December 28, 1991 in Del Mar, California; and especially Halloween of 1991 at the Paramount in Seattle), also there must be demos and studio sessions that would be a joy to listen to (i wanna hear all the "Nevermind" sessions, particularly that one when they played "Endless, Nameless", godamnit) but they probably are currently stored on some safety box away even from the sunlight. So there's material for a potential product, but somehow i don't trust them anymore to actually release something good enough ("MTV Unplugged In New York", "Live: Tonight! Sold Out!", and the "Live At Reading" DVDs being possible exceptions). "With The Lights Out" wasn't all that great despite including many rarities, just a compilation thrown together without much care, "Sliver-The Best Of The Box" was lame, the audio versions of "Reading 1992" were so flawed in certain aspects, too. And even though Jack Endino was involved in remastering "Bleach", that one was also a disappointment. It was not necessary. Also, poor choice of a live recording that documented that era, there are better ones, speaking of sound and performance, circulating out there. The best thing about that reissue, was the lot of previously unreleased pictures for sure, but in these days that's not a good reason to get a remaster copy of an album, considering there's better content in terms of Nirvana eye-candy in sites such as tumblr.

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.24.2011 09:35 PM

Here's something for you, The Watcher:
http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=1939
This one includes the demo version of "Old Age", which is supposed to be sourced from a lower generation tape than the one officially released on "With The Lights Out". Ha, you probably don't care about that. Anyway, the rest of the songs are unreleased demos. I can upload the other discs (Studio sessions, Radio broadcasts, and Live rarities) if you want.

The Watcher 04.24.2011 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipster_bebop_junkie
(and maybe that's why The Watcher didn't even try to give out names)


I'm trying to save lives here...... one day you're harmless chatting about how someone is making a mint off this band and the next you're looking down the barrel of a gun.......

That being said if Bono owns any stake in profits garnered by this consider this thread officially revoked I want nothing to do with that sort of nonsense........ I'd rather give my money to Michael Jackson's test tube babies........

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.24.2011 09:44 PM

Ha ha. Yeah, no matter how much one might enjoy Nirvana's music, it certainly is wrong to make things better for Courtney Love and (possibly) Bono as a result of one's fandom. That being said, i'm sure Sonic Youth and Dave Markey, to name a few, would benefit from the release of "1991: The Year Punk Broke" on DVD and that's something positive.

Anyway, it's all speculation on my part. I cannot assure Abono is a Nirvana copyright holder, i just know he was trying to be, when Courtney put a stake on sale alleging it was too much of a burden for her to handle the whole thing on her own.

The Watcher 04.24.2011 09:54 PM

I really just appreciate the heads up - the notion that Bono might profit from such a purchase from my hard earned money is on par with advice like "don't drink poison" and "Scott Pilgrim vs The World is the worst movie you will ever see why not just drink poison to avoid watching it"........

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.24.2011 10:07 PM

Ha, ha.

I know what you mean. I've taken notes that i shouldn't ever check out "Scott Pilgrim VS. The World", or maybe just the graphic novel but skip the movie? Oftentimes, comics are much better than their adaptations to the big screen.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

The Watcher 04.24.2011 10:28 PM

Don't be sorry..... Frankly I wish I had a printer and a time machine that I could use to print the text of this thread out then take the time machine back one year and give the printed copy of the thread to myself.........

EVOLghost 04.25.2011 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
um isn't this the version on WITH THE LIGHTS OUT ?


yes. yes it is.

SONIC GAIL 04.25.2011 07:50 AM

This thread is making me fell very old

noisereductions 04.25.2011 09:22 AM

I'm just scratching my head about this excitement for "Old Age," I mean it's an awesome song, but it was awesome when it was released on the boxset, and awesome when released on Sliver as well. Why is this like... news?

SONIC GAIL 04.25.2011 09:37 AM

WTLO is great. I really enjoyed having new songs to listen to.

noisereductions 04.25.2011 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
WTLO is great. I really enjoyed having new songs to listen to.


agreed. I straight up love that boxset. I have no issues with it. I'd like a second one.

hipster_bebop_junkie 04.29.2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter
bebop junkie i enjoy your long grunge posts. especially you into yer schtick/layne staley post which i thought was fantastic.

can't believe you think WTLO wasn't great tho. ok -the mastering was ATROCIOUS, to the point of ruining some songs completely. but they put in a lot of effort and chose versions of songs that hadn't been bootlegged loads already. all in all it was a decent effort. it should have just wrapped up the loose ends completely and had ALL the remaining songs we haven't heard ever like 'ivy league' and 'the son'.

I'll mention some things that i don't like about "With The Lights Out". Hopefully my instance on it will be clear after that: The artwork is awful and gives me the impression some lazy person was involved in that department. The box-set includes songs with participation from Chad Channing, Mark Lanegan and Mark Pickerel, for instance, and i certainly consider it an accurate depiction of Nirvana's evolution; but a lame picture of the most famous incarnation of the band, which doesn't make any sense in regards to providing a context of what the box-set is about, just makes me think that they did the easiest thing next to just printing the logo on a blank or black background and then send it to the stores. When it was initially mentioned that an antology would be released, there were rumours that it was gonna be a heart-shaped box-set, but it never materialized. There probably aren't too many pieces of graphic work (other than Kurt Cobain's paintings and shit) that could be creatively used for packaging, but my point still stands and not only regarding "With The Lights Out". I think that fucking best-of for which they weren't able to assemble a cover or even pull off a decent title, it's also noteworthy in the same aspect. Then the mastering and mixing doesn't really satisfy me in quite a few songs. You have used the word "atrocious" to refer to the results, and i have to say i strongly agree with you. I also think that the fact that they didn't bother to use the master tapes in some cases, taking instead dubious cassette tapes as sources, is a very despicable move.

There surely are some songs that i enjoyed hearing for the first time, especially those rough sessions that were the gestation for "In Utero", but i somehow feel that the people in charge of that project didn't take a deeper look on the archives, and pretty much just went ahead in taking the money off the bootlegers by making official stuff that was already available relatively easily in unofficial records such as the "Outcesticide" and "Into The Black" compilations. In this case, speculation nurtures my opinion, but it does so to the point that i have the impression that, if they actually release another artifact to celebrate the anniversary of "Nevermind", they might as well just snag the content of "Loose Ends" and/or "The Chosen Rejects" and put the damn thing on sale, mixed differently, sounding bombastic, with a cover consisting of a shitty photo taken from the lamest Nirvana-oriented tumblr page (note the irony here); some people on the internet have done it better for many years. Yeah, i doubt they'll release too much from the tapes that are hiding on safety boxes, because they gotta save the golden goose for future releases. After all, it does seem the interest in Nirvana is far from getting to the end of its days (I know i'm still interested). I'd eat my shorts if "Ivy League", "The Son", or "Song in D" and all the other jams and still obscure Nirvana songs that have caused interest for years, is actually released soon.

Anyway, i won't deny there are good things that "With The Lights Out" actually has to offer, musically and otherwise. Right now i don't feel necessary to diss Thurston Moore's liner notes, or the chronology included in the booklet. I won't throw the DVD right into the flames at this point, either (Why make this post any longer?). All in all, i gotta say i strongly agree with you in considering it just a decent artifact, after all is said and done. Unless we'd actually have different concepts of the two words. I don't think "decent" would be a rightful equivalent of "great" for you, or am i wrong?

hipster_bebop_junkie 06.23.2011 10:07 AM

Bump.

20th ANNIVERSARY OF NIRVANA'S "NEVERMIND" ALBUM
CELEBRATED WITH A DELUXE EDITION IN SEPTEMBER
Released in September of 1991, Nirvana's Nevermind garnered near-unanimous praise and rose within a few months to the No. 1 slot on Billboard's U.S. sales chart. Nevermind was propelled to No. 1 across the globe by their young fans worldwide that identified with the band and embraced their anthem "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and its landmark music video. Since then, it has sold more than 30 million albums.

Universal Music Enterprises is pleased to announce the 4-CD/1-DVD Super Deluxe Edition of Nirvana's Nevermind available September 19, 2011, in the U.K. and September 20, 2011, in North America. The CDs will include previously unreleased recordings, rarities, b-sides, BBC radio appearances, alternative mixes, rare live recordings and an unreleased concert in its entirety on DVD.
The 20th anniversary will be marked throughout the year, with various events and releases.






http://www.nirvana.com


The Watcher 06.23.2011 10:21 AM

I guess you could say that I should be in marketing?!?! Or perhaps I am psychic?!?!?!?!?!?!

hipster_bebop_junkie 06.23.2011 10:29 AM

I'd go with the psychic option, now would you bet the concert included in the DVD is gonna be the Halloween of 1991 PRO-SHOT (I've always wanted it in its entirety)? Which other possibilities are there? Let the speculation begin.

The Watcher 06.23.2011 10:33 AM

Just wait for my next award winning thread about Incesticide 42 CD/21 DVD box set in mono........

The Watcher 06.23.2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipster_bebop_junkie
I'd go with the psychic option, now would you bet the concert included in the DVD is gonna be the Halloween of 1991 PRO-SHOT


I predict you will be happy with the choices they make!!!

hipster_bebop_junkie 06.23.2011 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Watcher
Just wait for my next award winning thread about Incesticide 42 CD/21 DVD box set in mono........

I would be interested in checking something like that. Unreleased odds and sods would be a lot more interesting to me at this point, than listening for the millionth time to the BBC Sessions, despite the fact that they're great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Watcher
I predict you will be happy with the choices they make!!!

Hopefully, because it would be awful to end up truly dissatisfied with an artifact that surely is gonna be a bit pricey. At the moment i'm thinking that maybe it would be neat to not include the BBC appearances mentioned, especially if they potentially will leave out some unreleased material. I'm waiting for a track-list to decide which are gonna be my general emotions about this release.

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.19.2011 11:58 PM

Bump.


Spin magazine is celebrating the 20th anniversary of Nirvana's "Nevermind" by assembling i suppose some of the hippest bands alive (plus The Meat Puppets and The Vaselines) to cover the whole record:

http://www.spin.com/articles/free-album-spin-tribute-nirvanas-nevermind?utm_source=spinfacebook&utm_medium=socia l&utm_campaign=spinfacebook

If you are willing to kill some brain cells by listening to it, you've gotta like Spin on facemook in order to have them send you a download link via e-mail. Optionally, if you wouldn't wanna go through such a pain and still would wanna hear this, you could grab it either from here or here.

The Watcher 07.20.2011 07:27 AM

Except for the meat puppets and The Vaseline's I've never heard of a single one of those bands ha ha ha...... thanks for the link I could use a good chuckle on my way in to work this morning.......

The Watcher 07.20.2011 07:33 AM

I don't even have a facebook..... Those jokers at Spin Magazine!!

stu666 07.20.2011 07:40 AM

"Beginning on July 26, the album will be available for free download on this page"

EDIT: to The Watcher, you don't need facebook you can download it here as the hipster posted.

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.26.2011 05:58 PM

Some news regarding the content of the remastered version of this, but not links to pre-order:


The limited, numbered Super Deluxe Edition only 10,000 copies available in North America, and another 30,000 for the rest of the world. The Super Deluxe features the original remastered album and accompanying studio and live B-sides, the first full official release of the pre-Nevermind demos recorded at producer Butch Vig's Smart Studios, as well as boombox recordings of subsequent rehearsals. The Super Deluxe also includes a new perspective on the finished Nevermind album exclusive to the Super DE t in the form of the Devonshire Mixes: the album as produced and mixed by Vig as opposed to the final version produced by Vig and mixed by Andy Wallace. Also on the Super Deluxe are a pair of previously unreleased BBC recordings and the 1991 Paramount show available for the first time and exclusive to this format on CD and DVD (which also features all four music videos from Nevermind), as well as a stunning 90-page bound book full of rarely and never- before-seen photos, documents and various other visual artifacts of the Nevermind era.

The Paramount concert, transferred from 16mm film and multi-track audio, is the only known Nirvana concert shot to film and will be available in a 1080p high-definition picture and uncompressed 5.1 surround sound and stereo on stand-alone Blu-ray, along with DVD and digital long form video formats.

 

The Watcher 07.26.2011 11:45 PM

I almost forgot to mention..... that compilation was the queerest thing I've ever heard!! What the fuck is wrong with everybody!?!?!!? I laughed so much on the way to work people on the subway thought I was a crazy person!!!! People that make music these days need a swift kick in the balls.........

stu666 07.27.2011 04:02 AM

i quite like Amanda Palmer's version of Polly

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.28.2011 12:19 AM

The track-list for the super deluxe edition has been revealed, and it's lame:
http://pitchfork.com/news/43334-neve...list-revealed/

The Watcher 07.28.2011 01:00 PM

I changed my mind. I want to see a four disc version of Badmotorfinger with demos and b-sides and the covers EP.

1991!!

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.28.2011 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Watcher
I changed my mind. I want to see a four disc version of Badmotorfinger with demos and b-sides and the covers EP.

1991!!


According to some sources, there is plenty of unreleased Soundgarden material that would be enough to fit on a killer box-set. They could release it at some point, and it might as well be assembled using the Pearl Jam method for last year's reissue of "Ten", which the people on charge of Nirvana seems to be following very loyally with this "Nevermind" reissue.

The Watcher 07.28.2011 06:54 PM

Now that would be an interesting set...... I tell you, even rough demos of Thayil would be worth hearing.......

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.28.2011 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Watcher
Now that would be an interesting set...... I tell you, even rough demos of Thayil would be worth hearing.......


''As far as Soundgarden, there are enough rarities and outtakes that they could do a very nice box set. They've just never gotten around to doing it. They did A Sides, and they were going to do a record called B Sides. They have a million B-Sides, tons of stuff that never got released, demos. There's enough for two or three CDs of just weird shit."

-Jack Endino.

Taken from the "Grunge Is Dead: The Oral History of Seattle Rock Music" book, by Greg Pratto.

hipster_bebop_junkie 07.31.2011 03:08 PM

A tiny little clip of "Old Age" from the "Nevermind" Super Deluxe Edition has been posted to Nirvana's tumblr page:
http://nirvananews.tumblr.com/post/8...deluxe-edition


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