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Soundtrax 04.11.2006 08:33 PM

Rather Ripped Review
 
Okay, to avoid 1000 threads, write your Rather Ripped Review here when you hear the album, and try not to write much else i would say, or... i dont know, as you wish :)

Inhuman 04.11.2006 08:34 PM

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Soundtrax 04.12.2006 05:11 AM

the most pop oriented sonic youth album to date. most songs catchy as fuck. listened to the album once, i know everything by heart already.
sonic youth sound like green day. i dont get why there is so little feedbacks and stuff that sonic youth is known for. no influence of those construction sites really that thurston talked about in that interview... even if there are sonic guitar parts, they are so much in the background... afterall i think it will sound really great stuff live :)

reena - sounds like the songs starts in the middle of the song, cuz it starts with chorus immediately. no sonic guitars
incinerate - yeah, teenage roit 2 with sonic youth 2000 sound. no sonic guitars really
do you believe in rapture - dont like this one very much, kinda slow, but this is where some sonic guitar actually start, with very low volume
yeah,
what a waste it really is a rip off from friends :S and again, weird catchy pop song.
sleeping around sounds like psychic hearts song, kinda very catchy stuff
jams run free - dont know what to say about this one, kinda catchy stuff again
rats - in my opinion the best song on the record. lee really sounds strange. you could also put this song on dirty if you did a little butch vig post production on it.
turquoise boy - kinda cool dreamy stuff, one chord really wants me to sing the 'heather angel' on it, but then the tuning changes in next chord
lights out, the neutral - not sure what to say
pink steam - yeah, kinda okay, sounds like psychic hearts again
or - really an interesting song after all this pop stuff ;) i think no sonic youth song has ever combined acoustic guitar with electric guitar as i can remember

i was mistaking in earlier post...lets discuss the album

sonicl 04.12.2006 06:10 AM

Fuck your review of a leaked copy. I'll wait until the CD is released and find out for myself what it's like, thank you very much.

!@#%$! 04.12.2006 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicl
Fuck your review of a leaked copy. I'll wait until the CD is released and find out for myself what it's like, thank you very much.



Dude, you rule!

Like a friend of mine always says, "REAL SY FANS BUY THEIR MUSIC!"

Sn@ke 04.12.2006 06:23 AM

haha...a review of a leaked copy in mp3 format on the official forum of the band...awesome.

hebbel 04.12.2006 06:30 AM

the purists have spoken...

Soundtrax 04.12.2006 06:35 AM

if you download the leaked copy, it doesnt mean you won't buy an album when it comes out !!!

noumenal 04.12.2006 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Soundtrax
if you download the leaked copy, it doesnt mean you won't buy an album when it comes out !!!


yes, but it's just bad manners, man

Soundtrax 04.12.2006 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by noumenal
yes, but it's just bad manners, man


i respect your position on this, but it seems like i only have 2 choices - to be bad mannered to badly self torured. i prefer bad manner :)

sonicl 04.12.2006 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Soundtrax
if you download the leaked copy, it doesnt mean you won't buy an album when it comes out !!!


If SY wanted the album to be available on 12 April, don't you think they'd have released it then, or made it available for download on their myspace page?

Soundtrax 04.12.2006 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicl
If SY wanted the album to be available on 12 April, don't you think they'd have released it then, or made it available for download on their myspace page?


i guess if the band talks about the new album and tease us for months, they must assume that some die hard fans will want to hear it as soon as possible. to me, sending out advanced promo copies is a release. if they said that their album comes out on december, but you would be able to buy it in a record store in june, would you buy it, or would you wait until so called release date in december? :) 'release date' is a fiction, its the problem of time-space continum :D

Inhuman 04.12.2006 07:08 AM

I think this is fucked. I remember when I got Nurse, and the anticipation was great. I think as far as I'll go with Rather Ripped is the interview with the samples.

pantophobia 04.12.2006 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#%$!
Dude, you rule!

Like a friend of mine always says, "REAL SY FANS BUY THEIR MUSIC!"


or.............

you could download it, see them live, buy the cd, by the vinyl, see them live again, spend thousands to head to england and spend a weekend in minehead with your real life friends, buy a turkey, stuff it, roll it up in a carpet, and throw it off a bridge........ummmm wait thats my plan next time i go back to cali

fishmonkey 04.12.2006 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inhuman
I think this is fucked. I remember when I got Nurse, and the anticipation was great. I think as far as I'll go with Rather Ripped is the interview with the samples.


i take it your not gonna download it then, i'm dont think i will either, what are the samples with interview you are talking about?

Inhuman 04.12.2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fishmonkey
i take it your not gonna download it then, i'm dont think i will either, what are the samples with interview you are talking about?


On the Air America interview with thurston there were about 6 second sound clips for a few of the songs. They sound great! I can't wait until it's released

sandwich mulroney 04.12.2006 11:12 AM

Well, the music is finished, it's not as though they're hearing something that they're not supposed to; it's just before the label can HAVE the album out.

I see no problem with it, especially because the fans will buy it anyway.

chabib 04.12.2006 11:20 AM

yeah, but when douchebags ask for and share it on this forum, that's just completely stupid.

sandwich mulroney 04.12.2006 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chabib
yeah, but when douchebags ask for and share it on this forum, that's just completely stupid.


I suppose; it's dense to be talking about something illegal more or less directly in front of one of the groups affected by that illegality.

Are you planning to regulate, or appealing to a sense of patience/deceny/etc.?

chabib 04.12.2006 11:30 AM

i'm just letting users know that while i'm relatively laissez faire about things, others are not, and if a user gets in trouble, i'm just gonna laugh at them.

nicfit 04.12.2006 11:45 AM

he he,chabib has more power than we can even imagine in my opinion...well,just out of curiousity i checked soulseek,all that i could find was a lame 96kbs mp3 version of rather ripped.i didn't download it,coz i just want to wait and have "the thing in my hands",but if that is the version that people are so excited about,either their ears are damaged (a 96kbs mp3 sounds definitely crappy),or this record sounds so great that even "ruined" with such compression still is good.

sandwich mulroney 04.12.2006 12:49 PM

No doubt nicfit... I'm not bothered by the difference in mp3s and CDs most of the time, but when I hear 96khz I expect an overly enthusiatic DJ yapping about traffic on the thruway.

Ever had/been sent a 48khz mp3? God, it's like someone jammed cotton onto a 20-year old tape.

hebbel 04.12.2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
well,just out of curiousity i checked soulseek,all that i could find was a lame 96kbs mp3 version of rather ripped.



i found it in 128kbps... sounds wack (the quality)...


won't be any spoilers, just my 2 cents...


first of all, i don't think i have ever listened to an album with such contrasts... the songs i like are unbelievable, the rest sounds horrible... except for rats wich i assume will grow on me... didn't think much of "paper cup exit" at first either...


will def pick this one up...



greatness:

reena
incinerate
do you believe in rapture?
jams run free
turquoise boy :D
the neutral
pink steam :D


lameness:

sleepin around
what a waste
lights out
or


mediocre:
rats



ok, just a semi-spoiler... on turquoise boy they recycle a riff from "heather angel"... not saying which one :p

schizophrenicroom 04.12.2006 02:45 PM

this is an a+ thread

Everyneurotic 04.12.2006 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#%$!
Dude, you rule!

Like a friend of mine always says, "REAL SY FANS BUY THEIR MUSIC!"




HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

this is too fucking much!!!!!!

schizo is right, but i see your a+ and raise it to a++

schizophrenicroom 04.12.2006 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
schizo is right, but i see your a+ and raise it to a++


i agree with yr statement, every-e!

Everyneurotic 04.12.2006 02:52 PM

"REAL SY FANS BUY THEIR MUSIC!"

HA!!! you have nothing on me!!! i'm trve kvlt sonik yovth black death!!!

i will download the album on the 6th of june of 2006, under a bad funeral moon rising!!!! EVOL putrifies my soul!!!!

spirale 04.13.2006 07:01 AM

did anyone???
 
Hey, did anyone notice that thurston part on Turquoise Boy is just an electric version of Altar Boy, Church Basement that appears acoustic on the "hurrycane floyd" cd and that he played live again in holland on the 21st sept 2002??? Check out saucerlike dot com for the live version....

whorefrost 04.13.2006 07:39 AM

rather disappointed
 
firstly i'd like to call bullshit on all the people claiming that the inferior quality of mp3s makes a leaked copy unlistenable. there were a lot of people on this board happily circulating a bootleg of the concert that went on to become SYR6. A bootleg for christ's sake! A bootleg of a CD that was for a charitable cause. I can imagine these are the same people who are refusing to download rather ripped.
Ok, i've only listened to this once but my intial impression is one of severe disappointment. As one interviewer noted, it sounds like "classic Sonic Youth." You can hear echoes of a lot of more melodic SY moments. The song Rats even has a riff which, to my ears, sounds like it could have been directly lifted from Disappearer.
RR is a definite continuation from the previous two records but it does not progress on them in any way. Unless you call using chorus pedals during solos and singing in key an exciting new progression. It just sounds like a predictable SY record, sans the noise. sans the edge and excitement. It is sadly predictable, most songs utilising rapid melodic fingerpicking reminiscent of Rain on Tin or Dripping Dream. Throw in some token noisey-ish solos and you bland lyrical content/delivery and you've got the new SY record.
Thurston's vocals sound OK for the most part although his lyrics seem uninspired. Thurston often writes throwaway lyrics but in a good way; in a dadaist surrealist spontaneous way. On the last track, Or, he sounds weary and unconnected to what he is singing.
Kim's lyrics are the biggest disappointment for me. When I listen to ATL or Nurse I always marvel at her ferocious, idiosyncratic vocal delivery. this is sadly absent from RR where she seems to be emulating Thurston in an attempt to deliver breathy, standard rock style vocals w/ sub-par lyrics to match.
Most of the songs are pretty catchy like Do You Believe in Rapture and Sleeping Around. I just expect a lot more complexity and depth from a Sonic Youth record. There are no experimental song structures or sounds. It is almost as if they have been overly inspired by remastering Goo and Dirty. It could be construed that the whole LP is an experiment in that trying to write a straight up rock record is an experiment for Sonic Youth. But I don't really buy that; they went far enough in that direction with Nurse and Murray Street whilst still maintaining their avant-garde sensibilities and integrity. The only thing I can think of, and it is rather cynical, is that they are trying to endear themselves to Geffen and a more mainstream audience in the hope of having their contract renewed. I'm sure being on Geffen affords them a comfortable income that they would do well to maintain. They aren't quite at retirement age yet after all, and still probably have mortgages to pay off. This is just my theory, but to me it sounds as if they are playing it safe, co-opting their art in favour of playing the corporate game.
Anyway, I await your flames.

whorefrost 04.13.2006 08:30 AM

i should have put a disclaimer stating that i often change my opinions radically... i'm always going back on myself, revising my opinions... these are just my initial impressions for anyone who may be interested...
i intend to listen to it a lot more but at the moment i am convinced that in ten years time, people will look back and place Rather Ripped amongst SY's weakest output...
that said, Reena is growing on me in particular... so maybe there is still hope...

whorefrost 04.13.2006 09:00 AM

i guess it's not terrible, it's just not really where i'm at right now.. i'm noticing a lot of recycled riffs as well... echoes of kotton krown... new hampshire... it has that sort of melodic SY feel... I will post my thoughts again after several more listens...

pao-lino 04.13.2006 09:27 AM

a a good italian as I am, post-porvenzano capture, I make of
omertà
my biggest value
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atari 2600 04.13.2006 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost
there were a lot of people on this board happily circulating a bootleg of the concert that went on to become SYR6. A bootleg for christ's sake! A bootleg of a CD that was for a charitable cause. I can imagine these are the same people who are refusing to download rather ripped.


the concert took place on 4/12/2003, & SYR 6 didn't come out until 12/06/2005. So let me see if I have your logic correct, whorefrost. People who enjoy listening to & collecting Sonic Youth bootlegs are to be faulted because they are not psychics that would know that a certain performance was eventually going to be released as an SYR? The recording existed & was being traded around. It started circulating before SYR 6 was ever announced. After the SYR 6 plans were revealed, some people (including myself) did share & download it, yes, but I still think yours is a misplaced analogy. So you would consider, whorefrost, that providing 25 ysi download links for an audience recording is really the same as putting a unreleased studio recording on a peer-to-peer network? Damn, you're one hard-line fundamentalist there when you want to be. (when it's convenient for you to be for effect only) You go on to rip on yr Rather Ripped rip & call the album "one of their weakest." That's okay, only a few of us here have any class. Maybe you should start a charity for people without any.

whorefrost 04.13.2006 09:36 AM

think of the rather ripped leak as a bootleg for hardcore fanatics... i went to atp, booted the set months before nurse came out so by the time nurse came out i was familiar with the songs and loved them even more on the official release.. i still intend to purchase rather ripped on vinyl! i don't care about people who shared bootlegs of what became syr6, as long as they don't attempt to take a moral high ground in this situation

samuel 04.13.2006 09:38 AM

it's interesting how people are saying some riffs are being recycled
can't wait to hear it, I have a couple months to wait

pao-lino 04.13.2006 09:45 AM

I wonder: who puts these records available online months before their release?
it's someone who already has his hands on it somehow to work it or someone really steals it?

Jef Mertens 04.13.2006 09:55 AM

Rather Ripped

haven't heard the album yet but i'm starting to think that the title means they ripped themselves off. Mabey each song has been recycled or has riffage from another SY- or sideproject related tune.

Heather Angel riffs, Altar Boy Church Basement, Incinerate (Teenage Riot), Reena (Stones) and what else.

naomi 04.13.2006 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jef Mertens
Rather Ripped

haven't heard the album yet but i'm starting to think that the title means they ripped themselves off. Mabey each song has been recycled or has riffage from another SY- or sideproject related tune.

Heather Angel riffs, Altar Boy Church Basement, Incinerate (Teenage Riot), Reena (Stones) and what else.


interesting thought

I noticed the heather angel one right away, and was semi bothered by it, but turquoise boy is a good song.

pokkeherrie 04.13.2006 10:45 AM

yes, it's an interesting discussion... however, i guess the altar boy, church basement is an intentional one, just like how another riff from that tune ended up on rain on tin years later. that's just how they work, a lot of sy album songs have riffs that were first heard in instrumentals played a few years earlier than the album songs. i did notice it right the first time i heard it though.

but in other cases, like the heather angel one, i'm not so sure about it being intentional. i would suspect it's not. all in all my first impression is one of disappointment, but i don't really want to listen to it at this point. i'll save my verdict for when i can get a real copy.

selkcip 04.13.2006 10:58 AM

i thought nurse was more of a "pastiche" of older sonic youth. both dripping dream and rain on tin derived bits from 'church boy alter basement,' whereas turquoise boy takes it entirely and embellishes it into a pop song. peace attack lifted the riff from elegy and new hampshire is like a souped-up sunday. new hampshire is one of the best tracks on nurse, it also has an ascending melodic bit from church boy alter basement.

i've only heard 3/4 this album and it already exceeds both murray street and nurse in my ears. even in 128 kbps. it reminds me of dirty (tuff rock) in places, but with the vibrant chiminess (clean) of their more recent albums.


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