Sonic Youth Gossip

Sonic Youth Gossip (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/index.php)
-   Non-Sonics (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   Is Trump really a serious contender for the Republican nomination? (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=113183)

Rob Instigator 06.21.2018 10:53 AM

Trump just signed an executive order ending his family separation policy. The alternative they're proposing is indefinite military detention of families. This is not acceptable. This is not over. Feeling despair? Take action. Please share.
1. Donate to RAICES, a nonprofit that provides low-cost legal defense services to immigrant families. Donate directly to the RAICES 'LEAF' Project here. Donate directly to the RAICES Family Reunification and Bond Fund here.
2. Al Otro Lado is a binational border NGO that provides legal services in Tijuana, MX to immigrants who are crossing into or deported out of the U.S. from Mexico. Some of the people they're helping are deportee mothers or fathers whose children have been separated from them, and remain in the United States. Donations here.
3. The Texas Civil Rights Project here says, “We are Texas lawyers for Texas communities, boldly serving the movement for equality and justice in and out of the courts.” Donate.
4. The ACLU rules. They're fighting this. It's what they do. Get involved.
5. Pueblo Sin Fronteras offers humanitarian aid and shelter to migrants heading to the U.S. Donate here.
6. This ActBlue Charities link lets you donate to 8 different nonprofits easily and quickly. List includes ACLU, United We Dream, Kids in Need of Defense (KIND), and the Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project.
7. Contact your elected officials. Let your Senator or Representative in Congress know how you feel. Contact the office of the President of the United States, which Donald Trump is currently defiling, and register your opposition to his abusive policies.
8. Families Belong Together is organizing events.
9. Donate to ProPublica, the news organization that published the audio of the crying children.
10. Immigrant children forcibly injected with drugs, lawsuit claims. REVEAL News, from the Center for Investigative Reporting, published this story on the forced drugging of detained kids. Read it, if you can bear it. The nonprofit that's suing to help these children is The Center for Human Rights & Constitutional Law. “The Center is a non-profit, public interest legal foundation dedicated to furthering and protecting the civil, constitutional, and human rights of immigrants, refugees, children, prisoners, and the poor.” Support them. Volunteer. Donate.

Skuj 06.21.2018 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Reality = the majority of America doesn’t know about the emails, the story is just starting!

...........

Will you ever offer anything of substance?


I'm amazed that you made that first statement, and then concluded with that question for me.

I'm putting tesla on ignore. Even posting on the same thread as him makes me wonder if the police will come to my house and arrest me.

Bytor Peltor 06.21.2018 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuj
I'm amazed that you made that first statement, and then concluded with that question for me.

I'm putting tesla on ignore. Even posting on the same thread as him makes me wonder if the police will come to my house and arrest me.


Skuj - I quoted ildulco first and my response was directed at him saying the email story was over.

The matter of “substance” directed toward you was about you constantly using Fox News—Trump Tweets as a response to anything I have to say???

I have no clue as to what tesla is referring to???


The Democratic Dance Party

The Soup Nazi 06.21.2018 05:19 PM

Melania's jacket while visiting the border:

 


Yes, it actually says "I Really Don't Care, Do U?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-children.html

The Soup Nazi 06.21.2018 05:57 PM

Never Mind the Children. In Duluth, Trump Celebrates Himself

Quote:

"The élite? Why are they élite?" he began. "I have a much better apartment than they do, I'm smarter than they are, I'm richer than they are."

Actually, no you don't, no you aren't, no you're not. Sad.

Skuj 06.21.2018 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
From In These Times:

Trump’s Order Says Immigrant Families Can Be Jailed Together, But What They Deserve Is Freedom http://inthesetimes.com/article/2122...6-97dc6a30225c

"Yet, the practice of incarcerating children in immigrant detention goes back further. Former President Barack Obama, who has been conspicuously silent during the child separation crisis, made family incarceration the mainstay of his response to mass displacement from Central America. Family detention has been condemned by the U.S. government’s own Commission on Civil Rights, as well as Satsuki Ina, a survivor of a Japanese-American internment camp, who compared the practice to her own experience. Since at least 2015, mothers incarcerated with their children have staged protests and hunger strikes within immigrant prisons—and testified to the horrific conditions they have faced."

Note: Obama continued the practice until it was halted by Flores v. Lynch, 828 F.3d 898 (9th Cir. 2016).

***

And from The Daily Caller: Here Are The Photos Of Obama’s Illegal Immigrant Detention Facilities The Media Won’t Show You

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&ut m_campaign=ConservativeFWD+Daily&utm_content=20180 621201235



Well, like I said before we can do this all day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...milies-n884856

The Trumpists keep saying "Obama did exactly the same" and in my readings I see that it was very different indeed.

the ikara cult 06.21.2018 06:22 PM

apparently the torture of children is something that requires a 'balanced debate'

I'll take the don't-torture-children side if you don't mind. Metropolitan liberal elitist that I am.

ilduclo 06.21.2018 06:23 PM

 


Flaming Tesla with Shunk in the trunk

The Soup Nazi 06.21.2018 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilduclo
Flaming Tesla with Shunk in the trunk


Those things self-combust you know. :D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...combusted.html

tesla69 06.21.2018 06:53 PM

NPR is making out like the children are being processed into some vague and unknown foster system by HHS and DHS - which is just another way for the kids to get trafficked - this is the worst situation possible, or as bad as the gangs in Honduras that now have free reign forcing your kid into prostitution, thanks to the criminal enterprise that took over the country through a US approved coup, under Obama and while H. Clinton was SecState. We're basically having to pick up their shit now, if this wasn't the plan all along. if these kids even exist!

The Soup Nazi 06.21.2018 11:00 PM

Crisis actor spotted at Texas child migrant detention center ;) :D

ilduclo 06.22.2018 03:22 PM

The Roseanne Barred Show

Oh well! Before their homes are foreclosed by Trump's banking buddies, Trump supporters can forget their entirely preventable troubles with the president's favorite TV show "Roseanne," which is returning to ABC minus Roseanne, her likeness, or creative and financial participation. (Now maybe NBC will return those phone calls regarding my proposed "The Non-Cosby Show.")

The Soup Nazi 06.22.2018 08:42 PM

Look, I don't want the world the blow the fuck up, but this is just hughlaurieous:

Trump officially declares N. Korea still a threat, despite his claim after historic summit

The Soup Nazi 06.22.2018 11:30 PM

 

The Soup Nazi 06.22.2018 11:38 PM

 


Trump tried to honor victims of crimes by unauthorized immigrants... by signing their portraits
The images were displayed at a "permanent separation" event held by the administration.


At one point during the event, Trump pointed to a photo of someone who had been killed and joked: "Tom Selleck, except better looking."

Skuj 06.22.2018 11:59 PM

That Time cover actually manages to look.....nice.

Does anybody even blink when Trump holds an event during this crisis to basically paint immigrants as bad/evil/wrong? He couldn't have picked a worse time for a political stunt like this.

When will he meet with families of victims of Nationalist White Supremacy groups?

The Soup Nazi 06.23.2018 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuj
When will he meet with families of victims of Nationalist White Supremacy groups?


Yeah, no, dude, there were good people on both sides. On both sides...!

Bytor Peltor 06.24.2018 05:12 AM

We haven’t seen anything this punk rock in a long time!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
Melania's jacket while visiting the border:

 


Yes, it actually says "I Really Don't Care, Do U?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-children.html


Genteel Death 06.24.2018 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
We haven’t seen anything this punk rock in a long time!

I always knew Tesla was a cunt but I didn't suspect you are one too until I decided to open this thread and read your posts. I wish your kids are taken away from you and you never get to see them again. You are unfunny, insensitive and a piece of shit.

tesla69 06.25.2018 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
I always knew Tesla was a cunt but I didn't suspect you are one too until I decided to open this thread and read your posts. I wish your kids are taken away from you and you never get to see them again. You are unfunny, insensitive and a piece of shit.



Oh please.

Get off your high horse.

Trump tweeted: ''I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO YOU?' written on the back of Melania's jacket, refers to the Fake News Media. Melania has learned how dishonest they are, and she truly no longer cares.'

Meanwhile, England opens up their prisons and releases a bunch of thugs 'because they don't have room in the jail'. We're all being set up for failure.

tesla69 06.25.2018 06:53 AM

Here's your typical "resistance" leader now encouraging attacks against a democratically elected government.

Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) openly called for people to form a mob and physically confront members of Donald Trump's administration if they see them out in public.

Waters.. doesn't live in the district she represents and paid her daughter $750,000 for Democratic fundraising activities

she lives..in a 6,000-square foot, $4.3 million mansion in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Los Angeles. Now how’d she afford a place like that? After having spent the last 40 years working in government? “How does she keep getting re-elected despite not living in her own congressional district?”

tesla69 06.25.2018 04:31 PM

By threatening to secure the border, President Trump is threatening a Washington DC-based business model that makes money for a lot of connected interests.

The Soup Nazi 06.25.2018 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
I always knew Tesla was a cunt but I didn't suspect you are one too until I decided to open this thread and read your posts. I wish your kids are taken away from you and you never get to see them again. You are unfunny, insensitive and a piece of shit.


I must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Genteel Death again.

The Soup Nazi 06.25.2018 08:45 PM

 

Skuj 06.26.2018 01:36 AM

So, how's that whole North Korea denuclearization thing proceeding? Dems, do you have any concerns, having seen the very detailed (sarcasm) agreement? The Iran deal was so terrible, and this one is so great, right? Why the fuck aren't the Dems demanding some kind of (completely justified) emergency session about all this? This is fucking worse than "peace in our time". Fuck me.

A slight aside: How the fuck, on a Sonic Youth forum of all places, can people like tesla be present? I'm all for differing political opinions, but absolute blindness and koolaid consumption at this place of all places really baffles me. Sonic Youth is the antithesis of a "Republican Band", aren't they?

ilduclo 06.26.2018 09:55 AM

 

Skuj 06.26.2018 01:42 PM

But this is the same guy who believes Putin did not interfere in the election, because Putin said so, and he has ignored what his own intelligence agencies told him. What is FBI doing about all this? Fuck all, most likely. Putin laughs himself to sleep every night.

In a very sinister way I'm glad the Supreme Court upheld Trump's travel ban. More ammunition against Trump when the history books are written.

The Soup Nazi 06.26.2018 07:03 PM

DO NOT CONGRATUL— oh shit too late.

Trump calls Erdoğan to congratulate him on election win

Skuj 06.26.2018 10:13 PM

FUCK it's been a shitty day if you hate Trump as much as I do.

hairs missing 06.26.2018 10:47 PM

Top-ranking democrat Joe Crowley, who many thought was poised to become the next speaker of the house, has just been defeated by progressive challenger and democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio Cortez in an enormous upset:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...imary-new-york


Her platform:

- Medicare for all
- Housing as a human right
- A federal jobs guarantee
- Gun control/assault weapons ban
- End private prisons
- Immigration justice/abolish ICE
- Public financing of elections
- Restore Glass Steagall
- Mobilizing against climate change

I feel SOMEWHAT optimistic for the first time since the 2016 Sanders campaign... Thanks to the people of New York's 14th district. Now please vote for Cynthia Nixon in September :cool:

_tunic_ 06.27.2018 02:28 AM

In a Guardian interview, David Lynch said this about Trump (and I'm quoting the complete part that talks about politics):
Quote:

Politically, meanwhile, Lynch is all over the map. He voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary and thinks – he’s not sure – he voted Libertarian in the presidential election. “I am not really a political person, but I really like the freedom to do what you want to do,” says the persecuted Californian smoker.


He is undecided about Donald Trump. “He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history because he has disrupted the thing so much. No one is able to counter this guy in an intelligent way.” While Trump may not be doing a good job himself, Lynch thinks, he is opening up a space where other outsiders might. “Our so-called leaders can’t take the country forward, can’t get anything done. Like children, they are. Trump has shown all this.”



Then Trump tweeted:
Quote:

“Director David Lynch: Trump Could Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents”
with a link to the Breitbart article



So Lynch wrote this open letter:

Quote:

Dear Mr. President,
This is David Lynch writing. I saw that you re-tweeted the Breitbart article with the heading – Director David Lynch: Trump ‘Could Go Down as One of the Greatest Presidents in History.’ I wish you and I could sit down and have a talk. This quote which has traveled around was taken a bit out of context and would need some explaining.
Unfortunately, if you continue as you have been, you will not have a chance to go down in history as a great president. This would be very sad it seems for you – and for the country. You are causing suffering and division.
It’s not too late to turn the ship around. Point our ship toward a bright future for all. You can unite the country. Your soul will sing. Under great loving leadership, no one loses – everybody wins. It’s something I hope you think about and take to heart. All you need to do is treat all the people as you would like to be treated.
Sincerely,
David Lynch



_tunic_ 06.27.2018 02:57 AM

Should/Would/Could Jim Carrey run for President?

tesla69 06.27.2018 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairs missing
Top-ranking democrat Joe Crowley, who many thought was poised to become the next speaker of the house, has just been defeated by progressive challenger and democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio Cortez in an enormous upset:




The Deep State is ecstatic! For the first time, a Republican will win Queens in decades. You see, Cortez isn't an Israel Firster, you can see the Israeli news making this point

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.pre...mary-1.6218292

And there is Cynthia Nixon trying to mooch some of her success. No way will the establishment allow an antiIsraeli to win in Queens.

I loathe Cuomo - I have a list of his tyrannical acts on my front door - but Nixon would be worse than useless

guest 06.27.2018 08:12 AM

tesla.....you're remarkably simple for someone who thinks himself so elevated in thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuj
A slight aside: How the fuck, on a Sonic Youth forum of all places, can people like tesla be present? I'm all for differing political opinions, but absolute blindness and koolaid consumption at this place of all places really baffles me. Sonic Youth is the antithesis of a "Republican Band", aren't they?

^^^


frankly I'm really disheartened and disappointed by the attitudes harboured by some people on here, tesla aside because obviously he's just a stupid piece of shit lol. I came onto this forum as a kid pretty much, still in high school, and I would read the words of people, think they were really cool and they had interesting opinions/cool taste/seemed like nice, genuine, heartfelt people. in some weird way it was nice to look on here and see people who I could imagine myself bonding with over shared interests in a way that's difficult when you're a kid. so to see people expressing adoration for/being emboldened by the actions of a truly despicable person really recasts stuff for me, it's really quite tragic. regarding certain individuals in particular, reading this thread is just really, really disappointing, to see that they've devolved into (or perhaps have finally been given the platform to exhibit the views of) pig-headed people.


we're truly in dire straits as a species.

guest 06.27.2018 08:13 AM

/bytor your predilection for industrial in retrospect looks a bit fucked up now.....you right mate? ironed your garb recently?

tesla69 06.27.2018 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guest
tesla.....you're remarkably simple for someone who thinks himself so elevated in thought.
frankly I'm really disheartened and disappointed by the attitudes harboured by some people on here, tesla aside because obviously he's just a stupid piece of shit lol..



Gee I don't even try for attention, all I have to do is not think in the "Approved Way", whatever that is these days. I forget most of you don't come here from a hardcore punk free thinking backgound. most of you are here from Carrrie Underwood and Katy Perry and the DNC.

I'm sorry I don't believe in open borders.

Sometimes you just keep it simple. You have this strange idea not only that the USA and Europe can absorb the 7 billion poor people in the world, but I'm supposed to give up my life for that.

Sorry if I'm a little skeptical

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ignorecover-it

why is this site always double spacing everything now

Skuj 06.27.2018 04:03 PM

Somebody obviously gave Lynch a talking to. He really is a great artist, but clearly, he has no clue what is going on outside his work.

tesla69 06.27.2018 08:20 PM

Pretty much every day I walk to work west on East 6th Street, across Cooper Square, past the dipshit twins playing badminton in the middle of the sidewalk next to Cooper Union, past the cube in Astor Place, to the uptown at Broadway at 8th St, and I see at least a dozen caucasian dopers sleeping under the building scaffoldings all over the neighborhood, and in the restaurant stairwells, they migrate to Starbucks to use their bathroom and sleep in the front rooms, there are usually a half dozen or so spread out around astor place; they are the campers with their sad dogs, a new code for dope user, dressing like a camper with their template camo colored rags pieced together and sad dog. And when I say dope, I mean heroin or other hard opiates, not weed, but they're probably also polyabusing meth and coke and alcohol and dope and then they od and the taxpayer gets to pick up after them. I generally only see white people sleeping on the street and networked young white junkies with their smart phones begging at curbside with their precious emotionally gripping signs - the campers get up to work during the day - there is a circuit among campers that knows they can come to Manhattan and Brooklyn and make enough from panhandling and stealing amazon packages from lobbies to pay for their dope and smart phone - I think the only reason the East Village won't be flooded with campers this summer is because the rest of the country is so heavily flooded with dope from China and Afghanistan and Latin America that the dopers don't need to join the campers here with the relatively easy and consistent supply historically of hayron in NYC. I'm without respect for the campers - I could give a fuck if they shoot dope through their eyeball, just don't make everyone else involved - because they always, everytime, without exception, leave their cardboard and other garbage behind. that someone else will clean up. Its kind of interesting because I've read most of the useful heroin books: WS Burroughs, Alexander Trocchi, Iceburg Slim, Donald Goines, Jim Carroll, Herbert Huncke, etc.. Maybe these campers are messing with meth too. But any of you are welcome to come to East 6th Street and help the junkies. They are there right now with their sad dogs as you read this, I guarantee it. You could help the junkies under the scaffolding on 2nd Ave and East 6th and then pop into Mighty Quinns for some roasted meats! The junkies are still there now suffering. Won't you help. The immigrants are going to do fine, they aren't lying around the streets of New York begging and stealing and doing dope like the white people are. thank you and coffee.

Bytor Peltor 06.28.2018 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guest
/bytor your predilection for industrial in retrospect looks a bit fucked up now.....you right mate? ironed your garb recently?


I’m never better!

tesla69 06.28.2018 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
See the new Rasmussen Poll:

31% Think U.S. Civil War Likely Soon http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ar_likely_soon


"someone" is pumping this meme - it ran on the elevator ad screen at my work today, all day long. Nothing runs on that unless it is carefully placed by Captivate corporation. Why are they so eager to plant this meme in people's minds. Civil War always turns out like Scene one of Outlaw Josey Wales, not Scene one of The Undefeated. But that's what 'they' want.

The tension here in NYC is palpable. If we make it through the summer without some event it will be a a miracle.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:24 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All content ©2006 Sonic Youth