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SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.09.2015 01:40 AM

Just checking in to say i have nothing in particular to share hip hop related. I did watch the movie Hitman earlier which i forgot how much i really liked. And bumped some MC Tree yesterday..

Rob Instigator 11.10.2015 09:58 AM

Thanks for the recommendation to go see Lupe Fiasco!!!!

The University of Houston Student Program Board set up a Homecoming concert last Friday. It was slated to be Wale opening up fr Lupe Fiasco. My wife had been dealing with severe tooth pain and luckily the pain meds actually worked so we were able to go to the show.

Slim Thug stepped up and did a surprise 30 minute set of his H-Town classics! It was great. He got the crowd moving.

Then Wale came out and oh my god I do not know if it is because he is a bit caught upon himself because his tunes are all over the radio or what but the fool showed up so lit he was sloppy as fuck. he could not stay in meter or key and it was all around weak, but luckily he was at least entertaining in his stage patter. and he fell over at least 3 times. wasted., I think the H-town rappers that showed up to hang backstage hit him with that top shelf H-town smoke.

In the middle of Wale's set, (I think because they could see he was ruining it) Bun B jumped on stage and did a couple of tunes which was bad-ass.

Then Lupe got onstage, and right off he says "9 minutes straight people. 9 minutes" and proceeds to spit a super long track which was fucking hype and awesome and dense and the beat was so hard and it was EVERYTHING. I remembered the name (MURAL!) It was fucking great and his whole set was awesome. He performed for over 80 minutes and the crowd got nuts

Best Homecoming Concert ever!

Severian 11.10.2015 12:32 PM

I called Mural as one of the year's best tracks back in February. Yeah, it has a couple weak lyrical moments but the best is sick and it's the high point of Tetsuo & Youth.

Not surprised Wale sucked. Wale sucks. Wale is very much hung up on himself and I don't even think his songs are actually all over the radio at the moment.
He's a stooge.

Glad you had fun though. Lupe has had an excellent year.

louder 11.13.2015 02:41 AM

New Gibbs is dope.

Severian 11.13.2015 09:55 AM

Aw it's out? I was just about to brag about having the Tribe reissue already, but now I gotta move my ass and grab the new Gibbs. Fuck. Thanks for stealing my thread resuscitation attempt louder!

Really doe. This thread needs to be resuscitated. I feel like all I do is work and sleep, and it's because I'm not whiling away my days gabbing about new joints with you bastards 24/7. Let's waste some time, friends. Life's too short to put 40 hours into consistent working every week. I need this, hear me?!

New Pusha T album on its way, btw.

Severian 11.13.2015 10:01 AM

Nope, Gibbs isn't out until the 20th, and I no longer have access to an endless supply of promos and early releases since we left the city in Sept.

So how do you have it, Mr. Loud? ;)

I may just have to ... Oh, look, I have it now too. How... fortuitous. I'll let you know what I think, though I'm sure we'll be in agreement.

(Ps: don't judge me... I ordered the album, so no rappers are gonna go hungry because of me. I'm just giving myself some ish to listen to while I wait for the 20th to slog around)

Severian 11.13.2015 04:03 PM

Yeah, Shadow of a Doubt is dope.

Rob Instigator 11.13.2015 05:13 PM

H-Town is all up on Travis Scott. any of ya fools dig him?

anything can happen at the night show

Rob Instigator 11.13.2015 05:16 PM

Slim Thug's latest one, Chuuch, sure sounded nuts when we first heard it on the local hip hop station. Osteen samples and all.

Gotta get dem blessins'

https://youtu.be/T-dM6ZpOvEE

Rob Instigator 11.13.2015 05:28 PM

Have you heard Houston comedian Chingo Bling's "remix" of Hotline Bling?
https://youtu.be/FMtVIo0WLPE

Severian 11.13.2015 10:14 PM

I think you have some catching up to do if you're wondering about how the café feels about Travi$ Scott.

In 2014, louder and I both praised Days Before Radio quite a bit. Maybe NR too... Hard to keep track.

Then when his proper debut came out louder was like "nah man" and I was like "it's good!" And pepper green was like "Severian you dumb. That's the worst thing ever."

Then pitchfork reviewed it and did some damage to Travi$'s image among the, y'know... elite hipster snob crowd. In other words, white folks who think they're smart now think he's just the personification of imitation. It wasn't a fair review. Probably written by a toddler.

I still maintain that "Piss on Your Grave" and "Pornography" are top notch hip hop tracks though they definitely reflect how much of a Kanye follower Scott is (though some say Travi$ Scott is helping shape Kanye's sound these days, even though Scott apparently has no sound of his own and is just a walking amalgam of Kanye, Pusha and Future sounds... Yeah, it's gotten a little retarded)

My love for the Rodeo album has cooled. I think it's better than average with a few great moments. Days Before Radio was more singular. It could go either way at this point, but the bottom line is he has his fans and he has his haters.

Not sure where louder & NR stand on him at this point.

Severian 11.14.2015 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepper_green
Travis Scott is obscured by all the guest. I don't even know who he is.

yes, he's cool if your drunk and snorting cocaine. it's 2015 kiddie drug hip hop and you're a ass grown man. there's Kayne doing his squeaky ass bitch panic attack voice(who's the voice of abstinence in all this) and a couple of cool samples!!! taylor swift is cool. check her new album out. she's talented too.

brazen. it'll blow your mind but, wont give you chill bumps because you're old and not shallow and ADD enough like your unborn children. thank god!!.... cause your children will have to be hooked on X and hydrocodone to enjoy this shit, unless your college smart coke feins. if they aren't rich feins, then they're white trash low class unknowingly supporting conservative domination of eliminating the ugly classes by retarded corporate hip hop music. supported by the education school systems and record companies.

I don't trust it and neither should you but, being cool is everything. enjoy that Travis Scoot.


Being cool is nothing. Absolutely nothing. I really hope you don't get that kind of vibe from me. That I somehow value coolness over.. Anything.

louder 11.15.2015 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah, Shadow of a Doubt is dope.

Pinata is better in pretty much every way, but it's still a cool album. He tried to go for a more modern sound.. there are a few Future-influenced autotune crooning tracks which aren't really what Gibbs excels at. Hopefully he goes back to focus on what he does best on his next album.

louder 11.15.2015 11:41 PM

Still feel the same about Rodeo. It's an overproduced mess and Travis is a mediocre rapper at best with some of the dumbest lyrics I've heard. "3500" is a good song and so are a couple others but I don't care for that album.

louder 11.15.2015 11:45 PM

Somehow I'm hooked on Mos Def again. One of the best rappers of all time. The Ecstatic is amazing, I've been waiting for a new project from him eagerly.

Seriously, what's up with Mos, Q-Tip, DOOM, Andre.. this decade? They need to come back from hiding and remind everyone why they're considered such legends.

Severian 11.16.2015 11:29 AM

Mos Def is excellent, and his classics will never die. Nor will Black Star, which is still arguably one of the best hip hop albums of all time.

I heard Mos was working on something new this year...

And Doom just dropped Bad Neighborhood with Med and Blu. That's something.

Rob Instigator 11.16.2015 12:10 PM

Q-Tip looked foolish in his weird clothes on Fallon on Friday when Tribe reunited. I wish that they did not have to do a track of Peoples Instinctive (25th anniversary and all I know). Phife really did not do shit on that LP.

was nice to see Jarobi though

https://youtu.be/LBPgXoacGBQ

Severian 11.16.2015 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Q-Tip looked foolish in his weird clothes on Fallon on Friday when Tribe reunited. I wish that they did not have to do a track of Peoples Instinctive (25th anniversary and all I know). Phife really did not do shit on that LP.

was nice to see Jarobi though

https://youtu.be/LBPgXoacGBQ


It's a great album though... I mean, really.
I've always thought it was an underrated record, and while I hope there will be a more long term reunion project in the future (a touring reunion at least) I'm still really happy with the reissue.

Rob Instigator 11.16.2015 02:42 PM

great album, but not much from Phife on it. he was not a full member of Tribe when People's Instinctive came out.

louder 11.17.2015 01:45 AM

I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned how much I love Donuts here.. well, probably because I didn't back then. But it's grown to be one of my absolute fave hip-hop albums.

 

louder 11.17.2015 01:47 AM

Just saw I made a post a couple years ago where I admitted I didn't get half of Donuts, even though I loved J Dee. A lot has changed since then. :)

Severian 11.17.2015 06:23 AM

Whenever I think of my all time favorite artists like SY, RDJ, Kanye, Velvets, etc. J Dilla inevitably comes to mind. He's just one of the absolute most interesting musicians I've ever heard, end of story.

noisereductions 11.18.2015 11:11 PM

I hate to admit I never got much into Dilla's solo works but his production on mid-90's albums like Beats Rhymes & Life, Labcabincalifornia, Stakes Is High... that sound was my world back then. Brilliant.

louder 11.19.2015 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Whenever I think of my all time favorite artists like SY, RDJ, Kanye, Velvets, etc. J Dilla inevitably comes to mind. He's just one of the absolute most interesting musicians I've ever heard, end of story.

I can't blame you one bit for that. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by noisereductions
I hate to admit I never got much into Dilla's solo works but his production on mid-90's albums like Beats Rhymes & Life, Labcabincalifornia, Stakes Is High... that sound was my world back then. Brilliant.

Learning he made Donuts on his deathbed with his MPC and a turntable made me appreciate the album so much more.

louder 11.20.2015 04:14 AM

Just realized Freddie legit came up with a new sound this year. Apart from a couple of tracks where the Future influence is evident (which aren't even bad, by the way), Shadow of a Doubt really doesn't sound like anything else out there. Much respect for him. The mixing and mastering even sound better now that I'm hearing it in proper quality (NoiseRedux won for avoiding leaks :p), and this album is still growing on me..

Severian 11.21.2015 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepper_green
no man. really I don't. wasn't aimed at you dude.

hey, I listened to 808's and Heartbreaks yesterday. I love his weird albums like this and Yeezus, I just give him shit sometimes because frankly, I think he should just keep his mouth shut like a pop star should or just spout out ironies instead of self important contradictions. I still think the guy is a complete shallow asshole and it's just the right time for him to do it with social media and all of us becoming one and all with the internet and stuff, and nothing else really happening right now. his music is good but his talk is retarded to the utmost degree. ISIS is trying to hunt you down to wack off your spinal cord to yr brain and Kanye stumbles and embarrasses everyone but his only self and the kardashians let out a nasty buffalo fart and the nation breathes it in and suffocates in it. stunned by the sheer idiocy of it all and accepts it. which I thinks is a good thing because they're wearing their ideology down of being stupid cunts through overexposure which will lead to uncoolness among the young that the media is trying to imprint on our minds.


but I was trained at a young age to ignore pop stars like them and what they say. it doesn't matter but, why do people seem to think it does? it blows my mind? it's a roundabout internet shit cycle phase because it doesn't matter what Kanye or they say because no one is listening besides everyone. is our pop culture that boring now? or is everything at a stand still and on lockdown for nothing to peek through? if so, it doesn't allow a door to be open any time soon. where is all this going? it's not like a passing fad you can predict anymore. I'm sticking around to see what's next but I feel bored and indifferent in my feelings of the future. like the 2000's was me saying goodbye before the hurricane because hey!!!, we all knew and predicted it was heading to this anyway. so here I am now going blah to a revolution of the elite in control of everything to brainwash you my maodiufasdifansdfhasdfuhasldfhaodfhp adsfhaosdhfskaaaattscooooootttt.

Travis Scoot? yea he ok. I want censorship and disagreements, everything at odds state of music.. don't want oneness. that's for religions. a building pop culture religion oneness of accepting everything as cool is what's happening and that's no goddamn fun!!!


Hahaha!

Yeah, honestly I think very few musicians have ever had anything truly important or worthwhile to say about the state of the world.

Dylan, of course. Neil Young, though Neil's political views tend to be pretty formulaic knee jerk liberal tirades. I agree with most of what he says, but I see him as a the kind of radical who wouldn't change his opinions, or even entertain changing them, for any reason. And that's not how I operate. There is no absolute right or wrong.

Even Lennon gets on my nerves when I read his political ramblings.

I don't care what Kanye's doing this Saturday. I don't care about his wife. I don't care about his clothing. And I don't care if he makes an ass of himself. All I care about is that his music never disappoints me. It's always right on the mark.

So basically, fuck Tom Morello and his stupid machine. Guy's a wank.

I just like music. Kurt Cobain was a walking contradiction too. But boy could he scream.

louder 11.21.2015 02:57 PM

Kanye isn't a bad person, just misunderstood.

Severian 11.21.2015 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
Kanye isn't a bad person, just misunderstood.


No of course he's not a bad person. Or maybe he is deep down. I don't know. All I know is that his music and lyrics have a bigger impact on me than just about anyone else's out there.

John Lennon was kind of a shitty person for most of his life I think. Maybe not bad, just not quite good. Still, I love Lennon.

The point is: I'm a music fan, not a moral authority for celebrities.

Severian 11.25.2015 02:05 PM

Has anyone bothered to listen to Jeezy's new album Church in the Streets?

I didn't even know the fucker was coming out! I'd heard nothing until I saw it on the shelves.

Why is Jeezy's already releasing a new album? His last one bombed, critically at least. You'd think he'd take a break and re-evaluate.

noisereductions 11.25.2015 02:12 PM

I don't think I've heard a new album of any genre in a few months. I don't know. I spent most of the year listening to new hip hop and jazz releases. And then recently fizzled and have just sort of been listening to a lot of old stuff. Just making playlists of old 90's songs or something. I think my brain got too overwhelmed w/ new music and I needed an ear sorbet.

Rob Instigator 11.25.2015 02:31 PM

I saw some talking head on TV say that "TRAP" was some for of EDM from Canada?

I thought it was crack-game rap?

so confused in new millenium.

noisereductions 11.25.2015 02:59 PM

wiki sez:

Quote:

Trap music is a music genre that originated in the early 1990s in the Southern United States.[1][2] It is typified by its aggressive lyrical content and sound, where the instrumentals are propelled by 808 kick drums or heavy extended sub-bass lines, double-time, triple-time and other faster time division hi-hats,[3] layered synthesizers, and "cinematic" strings.[4][5]

louder 11.27.2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Has anyone bothered to listen to Jeezy's new album Church in the Streets?

I didn't even know the fucker was coming out! I'd heard nothing until I saw it on the shelves.

Why is Jeezy's already releasing a new album? His last one bombed, critically at least. You'd think he'd take a break and re-evaluate.

I'm not interested in Jeezy anymore, nor Wayne who just released No Ceilings 2 (yikes, why you gotta ruin every classic with a shitty sequel, Wayne).

Erykah Badu's new tape is nice though. The last song features none less than fucking Andre 3000 and it's amazing, easily the best song on it.

louder 11.27.2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I saw some talking head on TV say that "TRAP" was some for of EDM from Canada?

I thought it was crack-game rap?

so confused in new millenium.

There's a subgenre of EDM called "trap", it's a different subgenre than the hip-hop one, but both use the same name. Dumb stuff.

louder 11.27.2015 11:30 AM

I revisited a bunch of classics over the last couple of days:

Illmatic - What can I say? Still a god tier hip-hop album, perfect for the winter. Memory Lane is my favorite song, with It Ain't Hard To Tell being a close 2nd (that fucking "Human Nature" sample never gets old!).

Late Registration - Just remembered how incredible this album was, you can really tell Kanye poured his heart and soul into every detail on this album and the result was pure fire, and it's not even his best. Goddamn.

The Love Below - It's mindblowing to think Andre produced this entire album himself, with "Roses" being the only exception. This album shows Andre's weirdness and musicality more than every OutKast project. I love the funky, jazzy production here so much. Andre is just super talented and amazing at everything he does. If he doesn't want to be a middle aged rapper, he should just drop another R&B album! Everyone would love it.

louder 11.27.2015 11:35 AM

Amazing interview with Terrace Martin about To Pimp a Butterfly: http://www.complex.com/music/2015/11...rfly-interview

Talks about how Black Messiah influenced the album and more.

"We didn’t do that album for popular culture. We did that album for people who have no way out. We did that album for people who can’t even afford to go to the shows. We did an album for people who need hope. You don’t prostitute that."

Wow.

louder 11.27.2015 11:36 AM

Another super interesting interview with Terrace: http://www.okayplayer.com/news/terra...clusive.html/2

Quote:

OKP: The connection between To Pimp A Butterfly and Black Messiah is not intentional, but is very impressive. Can you speak about how these two records are tied to one another? Also, which songs from D’Angelo’s album astonished you to produce what you created with Kendrick?

TM: When people ask about what songs inspired what, I could honestly go down the list. But, more so than the songs, I feel like the album was more than a few colors to me. I pulled from the record pure life. I didn’t pull from just the harmonic aspect, I also pulled from the chord structure. So, to me, mentioning the song would be irrelevant. To me, for To Pimp A Butterfly, I saw hues of blue, I saw shades of brown and I definitely felt black. You understand what I’m saying? On the real, To Pimp A Butterfly was powered by certain colors that inspired me to create certain things on the record.

So TPAB and Black Messiah have similar colors, huh? I can actually see it! :)

Severian 11.27.2015 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
I revisited a bunch of classics over the last couple of days:

Illmatic - What can I say? Still a god tier hip-hop album, perfect for the winter. Memory Lane is my favorite song, with It Ain't Hard To Tell being a close 2nd (that fucking "Human Nature" sample never gets old!).

Late Registration - Just remembered how incredible this album was, you can really tell Kanye poured his heart and soul into every detail on this album and the result was pure fire, and it's not even his best. Goddamn.

The Love Below - It's mindblowing to think Andre produced this entire album himself, with "Roses" being the only exception. This album shows Andre's weirdness and musicality more than every OutKast project. I love the funky, jazzy production here so much. Andre is just super talented and amazing at everything he does. If he doesn't want to be a middle aged rapper, he should just drop another R&B album! Everyone would love it.


Re: Late Registration - Yup!

Severian 11.27.2015 06:16 PM

Late Reg. is a great album for fall & winter.

Illmatic is up there with 36 Chambers and Midnight Marauders when it comes to early '90s NYC must haves, and I love it to death. But I never have and never will share the fairly common belief that it's the best hip-hop album of all time. Still, no denying its power. It sounds as fresh and as perfect now as it did then.

I wish Nas had more albums that hit the mark the way Illmatic did. I kinda think about half of his discography just kinda blows. :(

noisereductions 11.27.2015 09:08 PM

I think it aint hard to tell is maybe the most perfect hip hop song ever recorded?

New wayne tape? Im not even interested


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