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SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.06.2016 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah, according to you. Don't take it personall. It's just a fact of research. Self-report measures are the least reliable. Doesn't matter if you're telling the absolute truth or not, if you're the only one who "knows" it's the truth, it's not a reliable data point. Want you're talking about works ok in qualitative research, but it's generally avoided in quantitative. Just saying.

See again its where you have over intellectualized it to the point of defeating your own original argument. You claimed Beatles were innovative and influential, i asked for some music theory based evidence combined with testimony from the influenced artists, yet now yyou say its all conjecture! I understand the principles of research which you are talking about but you forgot we're talking about art not the Congressional Budget Office ;)

louder 02.06.2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Whatcha gettin' at here, redux?

(Good name for a greatest hits collection... Doesn't seem like Kanye's speed, that, and also it would have to be like three discs long, but... ya never know!)

I don't know.. looks like Kanye has a thing with lights. :o High Lights which is listed as a track on the new album will continue that series. I'm sure it's gonna be an epic song.

Severian 02.07.2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
I don't know.. looks like Kanye has a thing with lights. :o High Lights which is listed as a track on the new album will continue that series. I'm sure it's gonna be an epic song.


Yeah, I know. He obviously likes lights. Think of all the times they're mentioned in these songs... Still would be a good title for a best of.

But whatevs

Severian 02.07.2016 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
See again its where you have over intellectualized it to the point of defeating your own original argument. You claimed Beatles were innovative and influential, i asked for some music theory based evidence combined with testimony from the influenced artists, yet now yyou say its all conjecture! I understand the principles of research which you are talking about but you forgot we're talking about art not the Congressional Budget Office ;)



I'm not hurting my argument that the Beates are influential by saying that music theory relies at least partially on non-scientific research.

noisereductions 02.07.2016 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah, I know. He obviously likes lights. Think of all the times they're mentioned in these songs... Still would be a good title for a best of.

But whatevs


maybe he's going to make like twelve "Lights" songs then compile them on an album as a song suite called All Of The "Lights." Ha!

louder 02.07.2016 06:04 AM

Don't like the new Future mixtape.

Been a fan since Pluto. Really liked Honest, Monster and 56 Nights.. but now I'm starting to get bored of him.

louder 02.07.2016 07:03 AM

4 days for the greatest album of the year.

Severian 02.07.2016 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
Don't like the new Future mixtape.

Been a fan since Pluto. Really liked Honest, Monster and 56 Nights.. but now I'm starting to get bored of him.


Evol? I thought it was a proper studio album?

Severian 02.07.2016 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
4 days for the greatest album of the year.



Yeah man!

Would LOVE to know what it's called and see the cover art.

Severian 02.07.2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
That was good advice. I actually always wondered why he went by his given name but it always did sound like a good rap name so that is probably what Game said to him


"Given name" rappers are the future!

louder 02.07.2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Evol? I thought it was a proper studio album?

It was a digital only release, I think.. not sure. But yeah this one.

Severian 02.07.2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
It was a digital only release, I think.. not sure. But yeah this one.


Oddly, I listened to DS2 again the other day and didn't think it was terrible. I mean, I didn't think it was great... nowhere near. But I got trough several tracks before I switched it to something more interesting.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.07.2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
"Given name" rappers are the future!

I don't think it works for every one though

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.07.2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I'm not hurting my argument that the Beates are influential by saying that music theory relies at least partially on non-scientific research.

No you're hurting it by then saying that there is no objective way to measure influence. Im not pretending the theory is 100% but what science is even near that? Music theory helps us understand the underlying structures of music in a scientific way and then we can use that to extrapolate evidence to explain influence. No different then color theory in the visual arts. Hence why i said you are over intellectualizing it. I am not in anyway claiming that it is 100% definitive rather i am saying that IF we want to evaluate influence or innovation THAT is where we should look for evidence and NOT merely in our music critic opinions. See, is that so hard?

Severian 02.07.2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
No you're hurting it by then saying that there is no objective way to measure influence. Im not pretending the theory is 100% but what science is even near that? Music theory helps us understand the underlying structures of music in a scientific way and then we can use that to extrapolate evidence to explain influence. No different then color theory in the visual arts. Hence why i said you are over intellectualizing it. I am not in anyway claiming that it is 100% definitive rather i am saying that IF we want to evaluate influence or innovation THAT is where we should look for evidence and NOT merely in our music critic opinions. See, is that so hard?


No it's not hard. I'm not having difficulty understanding anything you're saying, and I'm sure you're not having any trouble with what I'm saying. We obviously come from different academic backgrounds, and speak overlapping but still different languaes. I thought you were saying that it was somehow possible to make an actual scientific case out of this. And while I do think and know that the Beatles are influential, I wouldn't ever try to back that scientifically.

So, I'm sure we're both right about a lot of stuff. I'm good here. You good? We good?

Also, did you effing listen to "I Want you (she's so heavy)" or not, because I'm really interested in what you think of that particular song.

Severian 02.07.2016 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
I don't think it works for every one though



Oh hell no.

But I do think it makes it easier for an artist to have a wide-ranging impact. Look at Kanye and Kendrick. They're accepted more readily by more people than folks named after gun models or drugs. It's good branding for crossover artists when your name doesn't restrict you to a genre (sorry, Ghostface Killah)

louder 02.08.2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Oddly, I listened to DS2 again the other day and didn't think it was terrible. I mean, I didn't think it was great... nowhere near. But I got trough several tracks before I switched it to something more interesting.

I like DS2 but I can totally understand why someone wouldn't.

Severian 02.08.2016 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
I like DS2 but I can totally understand why someone wouldn't.


I have Evol now. I haven't listened to it yet, except for previewing some tracks.
Also got the new Wiz.

Any news on THE ALBUM that's supposed to be out in 3 days but still doesn't have a confirmed title or cover?

Part of me worried we ain't gonna get an album, and that he'll just do the MSG show. Fuh!!

louder 02.09.2016 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I have Evol now. I haven't listened to it yet, except for previewing some tracks.
Also got the new Wiz.

Any news on THE ALBUM that's supposed to be out in 3 days but still doesn't have a confirmed title or cover?

Part of me worried we ain't gonna get an album, and that he'll just do the MSG show. Fuh!!

It's coming. Kanye tweeted that the acronym of the final title is TLOP and he's letting people guess the full title.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.09.2016 09:20 AM

Peyton Manning had a press conference where Snoop Dogg asked him a question he replied, "well, snoop..."

Rap names can become legit


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