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louder 01.01.2016 03:06 AM

louder's hip-hop café V
 
 


So Birdman and Wayne are cool again. Hmm..

louder 01.01.2016 03:09 AM

New Kanye song: https://soundcloud.com/kanyewest/facts-explicit

It's a Jumpman ripoff where he disses Nike. Also, I don't like it. :(

Severian 01.01.2016 03:17 PM

Ok it's clearly a throwaway boast track. He's ringing in the new year with a novelty song. Another demo quality half idea...

I don't hate it. I actually think that sample in the beginning is exactly the kind of thing he's shown he can build on. Throw that motherfucker into the chorus, re-write the lyrics to make it a "serious" song, change up the timing and tempo a bit, maybe add a guest spot... and... baby you got yourself a stew going!

 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.01.2016 06:09 PM

Only room i have for hip hop right now is that Game disc 2

Severian 01.01.2016 06:37 PM

Well, I pity anyone who hasn't heard Darkest Before Dawn yet.

 


Seriously, are we no longer taking recommendations here? Or is it just that My Name is My Name was somehow not one of the best rap albums of the decade?

Dudes, drop what you're doing and listen to Pusha T.

Lookin' at you, louder.

louder 01.02.2016 03:41 AM

Oh sorry man, I forgot to post my opinion about it. It is more consistent than My Name Is My Name, but MNIMN had higher highs. Overall I prefer MNIMN. It's just a prelude to his real album or whatever though so it's cool.

louder 01.02.2016 05:59 AM

Overlooked mixtape from 2015:

 


Listen here: http://mixtapemonkey.com/1388/tut-preachers-son

Severian 01.02.2016 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
Overlooked mixtape from 2015:

 


Listen here: http://mixtapemonkey.com/1388/tut-preachers-son


Cool. Thanks!

Severian 01.02.2016 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
Oh sorry man, I forgot to post my opinion about it. It is more consistent than My Name Is My Name, but MNIMN had higher highs. Overall I prefer MNIMN. It's just a prelude to his real album or whatever though so it's cool.


Ehhh... I'm not sure I prefer it to MNIMN either but I definitely think it's more consistent. My Name had some seriously waning moments stuffed into its second half, but the production being all-Kanye made it a strong companion piece to Yeezus, with a similar kind of mission statement.

I think Darkest Before Dawn is more than just a prelude to his "real" album. I mean, it's a real album. I actually think it's a bit stupid of him to call it "the prequel" or to slap the "King Push" title on it. That's just confusing. I mean, this album is the "prequel" to a song from 2013 and an April 2016 album (maybe)?

It's definitely an album. It's been labored over and heavily produced, and a lot of thought has gone in to its presentation.

But I didn't realize until just recently that he was planning to drop another album so soon. I figured the whole King Push thing would fizzle, like so many planned sequential album series do. But, apparently, fucker's releasing a whole new joint in April. I'll believe it when I see it. For now, Darkest Before Dawn is definitely capable of standing on its own.

Severian 01.02.2016 02:08 PM

Also - new Lupe Fiasco album "DROGAS" coming soon. Here's the cover art:

 


Personally I think Lupe should take a break. Tetsuo & Youth was an unexpected success for the guy, whose last few albums have struggled. Tetsuo might not have been a massive commercial success compared to Food & Liquor, but it was kind of a cult favorite. I think he should just sit back and let that album sizzle for a bit. Count himself lucky for the rebound. I can see Tetsuo gaining an 808's & Heartbreak-status if he gives the world more time to digest it.

Making an album about drugs seems like a step in the wrong direction, back into the cookie cutter world of once-a-year rap releases focused on guns and drugs. He should push the artistic shit harder, because let's face it, the guy's done being a RAP heavyweight. He needs to evolve into a *musical* force... again, like Kanye... I know... I say Kanye a lot... But truth be told, Kane's the only motherfucker who's managed to successfully transcend hip-hop and avoid the novelty effect.

Maybe Pharrell too. But shit, Pharrell's kinda lame.

louder 01.02.2016 03:57 PM

LOL I understand where you're coming from, Pharrell is definitely pretty lame nowadays.

And I get what you're saying about the new Pusha album (not even gonna bother to try and type the whole title haha), I just put it in the same box as Jay Rock's 90059 and Freddie Gibbs' Shadow of a Doubt as a really good, cohesive 2015 "tough guy" rap album.

Severian 01.02.2016 05:51 PM

I really really dig the shit out of "Untouchable" and "MPA" and, well, every track really.

Part of the reason I like it so much is because I like Pusha. He's way up there for me. I loved Clipse, I loved MNIMN, I love what he's brought to GOOD music, and his appearances on MBDTF ("Runaway" may be my favorite song of the decade, and his verse is the centerpiece... "I'm just young rich and tasteless -P")

I'm still feeling out Gibbs, though Piñata was the best hip-hop album of 2014. And Jay Rock is even newer to me. But Pusha's a favorite.

Rob Instigator 01.04.2016 11:37 AM

ain;t nobody triller than Scott...

Severian 01.05.2016 10:01 PM

Okay, so Lupe Fiasco may in fact have not one, but three new albums dropping in 2016. Fucking three! It's as if he somehow learned about what I thought he should do, and then decided to do the exact opposite of everything I wanted.

That much music over such a short period of time? Bound to be phoned in. Only Ghostface can get away with that kind of thing, and even he's losing his touch.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.05.2016 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepper_green
shit music. 40% of this thread. total SHEEIT!!! what if I came to your home and started talking STEEIT!!!

would you like that? do you like a dick in you face? slapping my dick against you face and showing my ass?

you like that?

my ass and total SHEEIT in your face?????

What would we do without your booze inspired rants? Everything is apt until you always insist on mentioning your dick, and i mean, hey, we get it, a lot of guys are fascinated by their own dicks, but kindly remember we here have dicks too so we're not exactly interested in yours. Well, some of our gay folks might but even they probably like "meh"

Severian 01.05.2016 11:23 PM

Complex presents the Best Rapper of Every Year since 1979
 
 



Complex has published a feature titled, The Best Rapper Alive, Every Year Since 1979.

It's actually a pretty in depth and interesting read, but they DEFINITELY got some shit wrong.

Run, Notorious BIG, Jay Z, Eminem, Lil Wayne and Kanye West all received "BRA" honors for two separate years. The only artist picked more is Drake (three different years: 2009, 2011, 2015). Bogus if y'ask me.

Anyway, check the article here:

http://uk.complex.com/music/2016/01/...ar-since-1979/

louder 01.05.2016 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
What would we do without your booze inspired rants? Everything is apt until you always insist on mentioning your dick, and i mean, hey, we get it, a lot of guys are fascinated by their own dicks, but kindly remember we here have dicks too so we're not exactly interested in yours. Well, some of our gay folks might but even they probably like "meh"

Must spread rep.

louder 01.05.2016 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Complex has published a feature titled, The Best Rapper Alive, Every Year Since 1979.

It's actually a pretty in depth and interesting read, but they DEFINITELY got some shit wrong.

Run, Notorious BIG, Jay Z, Eminem, Lil Wayne and Kanye West all received "BRA" honors for two separate years. The only artist picked more is Drake (three different years: 2009, 2011, 2015). Bogus if y'ask me.

Anyway, check the article here:

http://uk.complex.com/music/2016/01/...ar-since-1979/

Reading that article.. pretty terrible, they confused "best" with most popular. Nicki Minaj in 2014?? LOL. The drawings are cool though, I'll give them that.

louder 01.05.2016 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Okay, so Lupe Fiasco may in fact have not one, but three new albums dropping in 2016. Fucking three! It's as if he somehow learned about what I thought he should do, and then decided to do the exact opposite of everything I wanted.

That much music over such a short period of time? Bound to be phoned in. Only Ghostface can get away with that kind of thing, and even he's losing his touch.

I hope that at least one of those albums will be decent. I read that one of them is over trap beats only which already cancels the chances of me being interested in that project.

Severian 01.06.2016 12:05 AM

They do seem to confuse best with most popular, despite their efforts to define "best" as something other than GOAT.

Some heinous writing and some piss poor choices but I thought it was fun.

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 09:38 AM

I dig the TRAP beats more than anything in hip hop these days. I like the abstractness, and the way that they are no longer based on the same old bullshit R&B and funk and soul samples.

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 09:48 AM

plus I have always loved songs about drugs and doing drugs and selling drugs and making drugs.....

Severian 01.06.2016 10:47 AM

Confession: I still am not entirely certain what a "trap beat" is. At least, I can't just make one pop up into my head like I can with a g-funk, soul or hardcore beat.

I really don't think I get trap as a musical genre. Like, I thought it was more of a subject matter/songwriting style than an actual musical sound.

Louder? Rob? Can you cure me of my retardation by naming three different songs by three different artists that have "trap beats"?

Cause right now I'm thinking of everything from Fishscale and Hell Hath no Fury to A$AP to fuckin' Future and Young Thug. ?

louder 01.06.2016 11:24 AM

Nah nah, Fishscale had some soulful prod, Hell Hath No Fury was the Neptunes at their hardest but I wouldn't consider that trap either.

Trap rappers are like: Future, Young Thug, Jeezy, Gucci, Waka, etc.

"John" by Lil Wayne and Rick Ross for example had a trap beat.

Get what I'm saying? Exclusively heavy bass, booming 808 drums, fast hi hats and snares, layered synthesizers.. that's pretty much what a trap beat is consisted of.

louder 01.06.2016 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I dig the TRAP beats more than anything in hip hop these days. I like the abstractness, and the way that they are no longer based on the same old bullshit R&B and funk and soul samples.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
plus I have always loved songs about drugs and doing drugs and selling drugs and making drugs.....

You may want to try the mixtape "56 Nights" by Future from last year then (saw you quote a lyric by him from a Travis Scott song earlier too). ;)

Check out this incredible song by him too. And this.

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 11:37 AM

TY Dollar sign has so many shit shit shit slo-jam crap tracks, but I LOVE Blase' Blase' and pump it as loud as possible in my car.....

"I feel like Nate Dogg!"


BTW, my wife says out of all the rappers I listen to lately, Future has the best stylist. ha!

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 11:38 AM

Both Chedda da connect and Travis Scott have albums out soon....

The Chedda mix tape Chedda world is very weird....

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 11:39 AM

I will check out 56 nights.

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 11:53 AM

Story bout New Years.

Me and my best friends are all around 40 yrs old. I still keep up with certain music, especially Houston rap stuff, and at New Year's party at friend's house, we were all lit and hanging out outside listening to music and having fun.

I kept asking them to play something more new... and they appeased me by playing Chedda's "Flicka Da Wrist" which is a ridiculous song but I love it and the beat is weird. My friends and their people were dumbfounded, and couldn't understand anything about the track. They asked me how I got into this and I told them I watch a local hip hop show called Streeet Flava late on Saturday nights (on for 20+ years) and that they play all these videos from local Texas/Louisiana acts. It is where I first saw Chedda, and Future and Rae Srummunddd(sp?) and Post Malone and all sorts of stuff.

They cut off the Chedda track about 2/3 of the way through and started playing some Biggie Smalls track and JESUS FUCK it was like someone had removed every bit of vitality and energy from the very air molecules. I have never ever felt such an odd disconnect from my best friends, and I have never ever felt so old. (I am the oldest of all my friends). the tgrack just felt SO OLD AND LIFELESS

It was very weird. I had to explain that all the bizarre vocal tics and grunts and "UUUHHRRRR!" noises as well as the rappers vocal inflection is based on the stuffed sinus voice you get from snorting coke all night (which most of them had done at some point in their lives) but they were shocked. several of them are teachers and it hit me when my wife said "you know they see their students listening to this stuff and they must not like it."

Just a weird experience. It takes hard work to reshape one's musical ear to enjoy new stuff. I did the work, and I appreciate the crazy tracks....but to see all my closest friends have such ossified eardrums? it was odd...

I had to explain several times what was meant by "flicka da wrist" and what cooking "pies" means.....

louder 01.06.2016 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
TY Dollar sign has so many shit shit shit slo-jam crap tracks, but I LOVE Blase' Blase' and pump it as loud as possible in my car.....

"I feel like Nate Dogg!"

Yeah he's pretty inconsistent. In all honesty, most trap/"trap&b" artists are. They tend to just put out as much music as possible, without much quality control.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
BTW, my wife says out of all the rappers I listen to lately, Future has the best stylist. ha!

:)

louder 01.06.2016 02:25 PM

"I'm an addict and I can't even hide it.."

Rob Instigator 01.06.2016 02:28 PM

I hate "trap soul" music.


I remember as a young one my friends and I would discuss why acts didn't say explicit things in songs instead of using double entendre and innuendo, and then recently I heard the Wiz Khalifa, TY $, Weeknd track "Or Nah" https://youtu.be/TUj0otkJEBo
and I understood why acts usually do not do this. fucking A this track sux

I never want to hear Mr. Wanna-Be-Basquiat weeknd singing "sit on my face til you drip cum" again......

Rob Instigator 01.07.2016 11:49 AM

BTW, Out of all the TX/LA rappers of the last 10 years, I think Mr. Kevin Gates has the best rhymes and flow of them all. Ugly sumbitch, but this jam gets me amped. saw this fool on Street Flava as well... from Baton Rouge LA
Kevin Gates - Out The Mud
https://youtu.be/b-QZzVytupY?list=PL...bUc5Zr4qeEUDOC

louder 01.07.2016 01:36 PM

Kevin Gates can rap for sure. This is my fav song from him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4UNGlu-Ak

Severian 01.07.2016 11:02 PM

^ except for Kanye West.

The man may be retarded in all things other than making music, but in that he is not a man but a giant flying sentient megoladon from the future. In fact I think he is to hip-hop what the Beatles were to rock & pop. Beyond it. Transcendent of it. Musically, he makes everyone else look like exactly what you're describing.

He's not cliché... He's archetypal.

louder 01.08.2016 04:22 AM

Okay okay.. another legendary performance by Kendrick on Fallon, performing a new song: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iZJXvjeWlVA

New album soon?

Rob Instigator 01.08.2016 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepper_green
im not such a bad person and don't regret nothing I've posted. think what you want to think. lots of this hip hop is a lost cause as racist and hypocritical as you think I may be, im not. most of it is sour diarrhea. you can put it in a taco, eat it, and shit it out and you would not remember it forever. it's trash. just like your grandma would say. its trash.

hey have you heard this mixtape by this so and so shit talking loser? hip hop is build around 95% shit talking and nothing else. I know it's just always just a dude trying to get his name out and his game out but have at it but, you'll be forgotten soon because your a cliché. you fucking jackass....doing drugs you've never done before.
.


Have you heard classic hip hop? Hip Hop has ALWAYS been about braggadocio just as much as it has been about telling one's story. Most of any genre is diarrhea if you want to get down to it.

music is first and foremost entertainment. Anything else you get out of it is gravy. I'd rather hear an entertaining and bass heavy track about whippin up a bag than a pedantic screed anyday. I can admire Run The Jewels but I find that, after 10 minutes or so, that shit is BORING

Rob Instigator 01.08.2016 09:30 AM

fuck Kanye West. His music sucks shit.

Severian 01.08.2016 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
fuck Kanye West. His music sucks shit.


You're not usually this rude. Not to me at least.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter. My opinion is that Kanye West doesn't "suck shit," and I guess your opinion is that he does. I'm sure you're not alone in feeling that way. Certainly a lot of people don't like him... but his music might be a different story. It seems to be pretty widely accepted that the man knows how to put albums together.

Even the folks who hate him have a hard time writing off his music. He may actually be the most loathed musician alive, but he still - even in his off years, when no new albums drop - commands 15 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. Of course, popularity doesn't measure quality, but it also doesn't negate it.

I think it's pretty silly to write any musician off so brusquely. I don't think I've said "Fuck [musician]. [Musician] sucks shit" since I was a teenager. I try to hold myself to a higher standard of reasoning, and a more sociable attitude. At the very least, if I make a dismissive comment like that, I try to give an explanation and make sure the people I'm talking to don't feel as though I'm dismissing them

Rob Instigator 01.08.2016 11:02 AM

I was not being rude to YOU. I was being rude to shit ass Kanye. You are not what you like, right? I am not what I like either. I fully respect your opinions about Kanye, and I ask that you respect mine, although it is a polar opposite to yours!

Fuck Kanye, he sucks SHIT. His music is BORING. people LOVE brong music because most people are boring in themselves! Celine Dion sells out $300 a seat theaters in Vegas every fucking day and she sucks major ass. the most popular TV show in US? Big Bang Theory, possibly the single worst piece of shit sitcom of the last ten years... popularity does not equal quality.


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