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louder 01.29.2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeah. I was super stoked about his studio debut (you remember that? When we were excited about that wank?) but the first sign of trouble was when he wanted to take a shit on Wayne by calling it The Carter 6. I was like, what the fuck? There's no rapper Thug is more indebted to than Wayne at his schizophrenic, scatological peak! Then he calls it "Barter 6" (which means... nothing) and pisses out rainbows on the cover. He got so much attention for that stunt, that nobody noticed how dismally terrible the album was!

Now Pitchfork sucks on his dick so hard it's insufferable. Acting like he's the Salvador Dali of hip-hop. He's just another one of Birdman's bitches, and he's getting no love from me.

Yeah, Barter 6 was such a letdown. Do you think they get paid for promoting him? They called him the best lyricist in the game.. like this guy keeps using the same words and says nothing on his songs. Cmon Pitchfork.

Rob Instigator 01.29.2016 12:23 PM

pitchfork writers are mostly trust fund white kids. Just like the Saturday Night Live writers....

louder 01.29.2016 12:24 PM

I feel like the Young Thug worshipping is almost ironic. He's a novelty act.

louder 01.29.2016 12:26 PM

I don't even see him as an artist because his mixtapes are a random compilation of songs with no direction.

Severian 01.29.2016 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
Yeah, Cole is a great performer.. very passionate, and he adds energy to each song which I felt was missing on some of the original record.


Haven't heard the live yet, but I was pleasantly surprised by the original album. At best, Born Sinner was just a bit of ear candy for when I was out of ideas about what to listen to. It was a pleasant but derivative album, and while it made for some good radio hip hop, it really wasn't my thing. He didn't say or do anything that Kanye didn't do better on his first two albums.

But 2014 Forest Hills Drive was an authentic and genuinely GOOD album. Right off the bat, it sounded so much more developed and mature than Born Sinner. So, I really dug the studio version. Not usually super into live rap albums, but I'll check out the new one for sure.

Severian 01.29.2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
I feel like the Young Thug worshipping is almost ironic. He's a novelty act.


Not to them. In one spread they had this big psychedelic graphic of thug with a skull face surrounded by swirls and acid imagery.... Titled the "(something something) World of Young Thug" (or something). It was like the kind of thing you'd see in a Rolling Stone article about 30 years of the Flaming Lips. In fact, that's exactly what I thought of. It was so reverent, with this "this guy's the real deal of musical experimentation" vibe. Again, like something from Fearless Freaks. Or a Zappa piece.

As a Flaming Lips fanatic and Zappa lover, I was insulted.

louder 01.29.2016 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Haven't heard the live yet, but I was pleasantly surprised by the original album. At best, Born Sinner was just a bit of ear candy for when I was out of ideas about what to listen to. It was a pleasant but derivative album, and while it made for some good radio hip hop, it really wasn't my thing. He didn't say or do anything that Kanye didn't do better on his first two albums.

But 2014 Forest Hills Drive was an authentic and genuinely GOOD album. Right off the bat, it sounded so much more developed and mature than Born Sinner. So, I really dug the studio version. Not usually super into live rap albums, but I'll check out the new one for sure.

Yeah man.. I always had a soft spot for Cole, but I was waiting for him to make a really good album so I could make it official. It took him 3 attempts, but he finally did it.

louder 01.29.2016 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Not to them. In one spread they had this big psychedelic graphic of thug with a skull face surrounded by swirls and acid imagery.... Titled the "(something something) World of Young Thug" (or something). It was like the kind of thing you'd see in a Rolling Stone article about 30 years of the Flaming Lips. In fact, that's exactly what I thought of. It was so reverent, with this "this guy's the real deal of musical experimentation" vibe. Again, like something from Fearless Freaks. Or a Zappa piece.

As a Flaming Lips fanatic and Zappa lover, I was insulted.

*facepalm*

As if we all haven't seen Lil Wayne going through a drugged out phase 10 years ago and experimenting with his sound.. but Wayne sounded coherent and put hard work on his craft. Thugger said he doesn't even write down his lyrics and makes every song in 5 minutes.

louder 01.29.2016 04:10 PM

@ Rob

Kevin Gates dropped his debut album today, titled "Islah". Gonna listen soon.

Rob Instigator 01.29.2016 04:33 PM

sweet. He has like ten years into this huh? did it old school. Kevin Gates hustled to build rep in Baton Rouge LA. then greater LA. then Houston and the dirty south. way to go.

Rob Instigator 01.29.2016 04:36 PM

http://kevingat.es/?p=4211

I left a copy of my new album – under the name #islah at – Hotel ZAZA IN #Houston – the first person get there and get it it’s yours – I love you all -May Peace Be Upon You ❤️

louder 01.29.2016 04:48 PM

Great short interview with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLc7J92VQM

Severian 01.29.2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
*facepalm*

As if we all haven't seen Lil Wayne going through a drugged out phase 10 years ago and experimenting with his sound.. but Wayne sounded coherent and put hard work on his craft. Thugger said he doesn't even write down his lyrics and makes every song in 5 minutes.


Well, to be fair both Jay Z and Kanye have made similar claims, and it sounded super badass with respect to them (especially Jay- the idea that the Black Album was just freestyled blows my mind).

So maybe this is just our biases coming into play. But yeah that sounds hella dumb that Thug does that. He claims to not be familiar with Jay. Says that's just not his era. ... what does that mean, exactly? Is he like nine years old?

louder 01.29.2016 05:41 PM

You're absolutely right, but Jay has photographic memory and Kanye is a perfectionist.. Thug sucks when he tries to freestyle on radio shows which makes me assume he might have a writer. But who knows.

Severian 01.29.2016 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
You're absolutely right, but Jay has photographic memory and Kanye is a perfectionist.. Thug sucks when he tries to freestyle on radio shows which makes me assume he might have a writer. But who knows.


Dude... Being Young Thug's ghost writer would *literally* be the easiest job in the world. In fact, I don't even buy that anyone would employ someone to write such shit when they could just as easily pay someone to write well.

Now, Drake having a writer I almost buy. Drake's lyrics are like one-liners, and they have a stand-up comic's timing. But I think Drake is just a trained performer, and is capable of pulling off that kind of thing on his own. Acting and singling lessons are definitely things I can see him paying for on a regular basis.

But I don't get it... If young thug has a ghost writer, why is ANYONE above the age of twelve unemployed in this country? You know?

Severian 01.29.2016 06:20 PM

Jay freestyles like a monster. I think he might just be done with rapping at this point, but in his prime, he had the ferocity of an underground rap battle King. He was all ambition. I truly think of him as the Muhammad Ali of hip-hop.

Severian 01.29.2016 06:24 PM

Kanye to Wiz Khalifa:

"So you own waves now?? I own your child!!!"

Totally reasonable, proportionate response. Funny as hell though. I don't care how much of an ass he makes of himself, Kanye is and always will be infinitely more charming and memorable than MOR rappers like Wiz.

Watching that Twitter feud was like watching a low-wattage light bulb try to duke it out with the sun.

Severian 01.29.2016 06:28 PM

Kanye West to appear on SNL this weekend, y'all.

I'm saying a lot of things right now!

louder 01.29.2016 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Dude... Being Young Thug's ghost writer would *literally* be the easiest job in the world. In fact, I don't even buy that anyone would employ someone to write such shit when they could just as easily pay someone to write well.

Now, Drake having a writer I almost buy. Drake's lyrics are like one-liners, and they have a stand-up comic's timing. But I think Drake is just a trained performer, and is capable of pulling off that kind of thing on his own. Acting and singling lessons are definitely things I can see him paying for on a regular basis.

But I don't get it... If young thug has a ghost writer, why is ANYONE above the age of twelve unemployed in this country? You know?

LOL

noisereductions 01.29.2016 07:22 PM

I like Wiz though. He's not super talented. But I like his flow.


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