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Right, now try and say that in a way that doesn't make you sound like some smartass Socrates wannabe.

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

The reason I frequently refer to the America of a century ago is due to the regression which American society has undergone since about 1972, to the extent that today's American social reality resembles that of a century ago more than it resembles that of fifty years ago. I frequently read Comrade Victor Berger's century-old editorials in the Socialist newspaper "The Milwaukee Leader" (published as a book entitled: "Berger's Broadsides") because they speak to the century-old social reality into which the American ruling class has plunged us in the last 50 years.

The Democratic Party's solution to this social crisis is to mystify class conflict by confounding it with racial, religious, sexual and whatnot conflict in order to isolate the working class amidst a sea of petit-bourgois and lumpenproletarian elements who present themselves as "oppressed" rebels against the current unjust social order while hoping nobody notices that the government, the military, academia, the corporate media, and every other instrument of ruling-class power is concertedly supporting the controlled "rebellion".

It's a cute trick if you can get away with it. I see my job as making sure they can't and won't get away with it.

You're right about this new 'woke' Left representing a kind of controlled rebellion but, given that industrialisation was the very thing that gave Marx's concept of class any real meaning, do you (as a self-proclaimed Marxist) really think that class, and especially class-conflict, is a viable idea within the context of an increasingly de-industrialised West? After all, many of those we'd traditionally consider working class moved away from the very kind of manual and manufacturing jobs that Marx saw as key to their revolutionary potential towards a very different kind of employment: within the service industries, or in white collar jobs, or in many cases continuing in manual or manufacturing work, but as their own bosses. Nor should we forget those made unemployed as a consequence of de-industrialisation, who became part of the lumpenproletariat as a result.

These people (whatever we want to call them) definitely deserve far better political representation than I currently see them getting from the 'woke'/'progressive' Left but I'm no longer sure that an emphasis on class, especially in terms of Marx's rather narrow and historically-defined concept of it, is particularly helpful to them either right now.

class without accounting for race?

this is what happens when you’re middle class, even upper middle class, and black in america

http://powerreporting.com/color/color_of_money.pdf

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

According to the Dallas Morning News:

As Trump was regaling 20,000 supporters in Dallas, former congressman and Democratic presidential contender Beto O’Rourke staged a counter-rally at the Theatre in Grand Prairie attended by about 5,500.

And Bernie had 25,000 people turn up to his rally in Queens yesterday :rolleyes:

Many such numbers

so math

5,500 people, population of 193k = 2.8% turnout (Beto)
25k people, pop 8.6 million =0.29% turnout (Sanders) (thanks for the QC, Claire!)
20k people, pop 1.34 million = 1.0% turnout (Trimp)

Beto 3x more popular than Trimp, 10x more popular than Sanders

put that in your trunk, Shunk!

You've got an extra 0 in the Sanders figure, but it's pretty good otherwise

dallas population is underestimated above

sure city limits is correct, but dallas-fort worth metro, which is the real demographic, has 7.5+ million

mango 0.33%

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

class without accounting for race?

this is what happens when you’re middle class, even upper middle class, and black in america

http://powerreporting.com/color/color_of_money.pdf

I do think that the issue of race remains a particular problem for the American Left. Especially any version that wants to hold on to a specifically Marxist concept of class. I recently came back from Miami. Yeah there's the massive divide between rich and poor but what struck me far more was the seemingly unfathomable 4D complexity of its racial tensions and how they appeared to transcend any easy notion of economic disparity or class conflict. I'm not sure what kind of politics is needed for a city like that, tbh.

ah, miami! hahahahaa... the capital of latin america. everyone does business and brings their regional prejudices there.

the political solution is... just more fucking. i mean it in the hybridizing crosspollinating way. capulets and montagues without the suicide. viva el caos primordial!

Fuck The Systems. Grab Your Ky Jelly Cause They Coming For You.

"Saudi Arabia at my request has agreed to pay us for everything we are doing. That is a first. Saudi Arabia, and other countries soon now, but Saudi Arabia has agreed to pay us for everything we are doing to help them and we appreciate that."

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Clinton email investigation ends

Now Bytor can really shush about it. It's over.

Honestly, h8kurdt, my confusion grows: no “deliberate” mishandling

If my understanding of the law is correct, it specifically states that intent is irrelevant.

If this is true, please understand that you or anyone else reading this would be going to prison for doing anything similar.

THIS is why I questioned the possibility of then President Obama granting immunity to Hillary the same way he did her attorney. If immunity was granted, there is no way Hillary could be prosecuted.

If intent is indeed irrelevant, then Hillary is receiving special treatment!
(don’t forget removing SIM cards & destroying cellphones after receiving subpoena)

If immunity was granted, as I’ve stated previously, I would consider that treasonous.

I was questioning possible traitorous activity based on actions and NOT skin tone or proper names.

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

So why start after his terms were over?

Because all of President Obama’s questionable actions took place in his final months-weeks-days & hours of office. Hillary’s attorney didn’t reveal the status of her immunity until she testified under oath earlier this year.

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

If my understanding of the law is correct, it specifically states that intent is irrelevant.

If this is true, please understand that you or anyone else reading this would be going to prison for doing anything similar.

your "understanding of the law" fucking lol

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

I was questioning possible traitorous activity based on actions and NOT skin tone or proper names.

so it's just coincidence that the subjects of your ire are always women or minorities?

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Originally Posted by guest

your "understanding of the law"

Tiered Justice is BOLD and THOROUGH injustice!!!

Possibly you can comprehend this......the next time you get pulled over for speeding, tell the officer you didn’t “intend” to speed and see how works out.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

dallas population is underestimated above

sure city limits is correct, but dallas-fort worth metro, which is the real demographic, has 7.5+ million

mango 0.33%

Yeah, I just googled the pop, not accounting for the spread out territory associated with TX cities (lack of land use laws)

So Trimpy even worse, works for me. He’s gonna lose
:D

Trump comparing what he's going through as a "lynching" is something else. I mean, I should be shocked but I'm not. At all.

Has there ever been a more whiny, moaning, pathetic snowflake president in history?

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Probably not, at least publicly.