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Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 09:08 AM

guns guns guns
 
so the USA has around 270 million legal firearms owned by citizens, and who knows how many millions of illegal firearms.

Only around 30-40% of americans own a gun.

Most americans own one or two, while some americans own several dozen.

The US owns 40-45% of all the world's firearms.

The US also makes the majority of firearms and ammunition for the whole world.

How can the citizenry be protected from the misuse of these hundreds of millions of guns?

evollove 02.15.2018 09:28 AM

Chris Rock has an answer: "We need some bullet control. I think all bullets should cost $5000."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 09:29 AM

kind of like how printers rip everyone off, by overcharging for ink!

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 09:56 AM

ha ha ha

i got some guns. they were too easy to get. didn’t need to take a course, pass a test, nothing.

i thought that was wrong.

ilduclo 02.15.2018 01:26 PM

what color is the ribbon for this one?

 

evollove 02.15.2018 01:43 PM

Hypothetical:

Let's say someone led a district-wide grassroots activist group. Let's say the local rep is proudly sponsored by the NRA.

What actions could the group take? A protest is pretty obvious. Any other ideas? Perhaps making cutouts of people--one for each victim so far this year--and then...I dunno, dumping them on his desk?

Ideas?

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
Hypothetical:

Let's say someone led a district-wide grassroots activist group. Let's say the local rep is proudly sponsored by the NRA.

What actions could the group take? A protest is pretty obvious. Any other ideas? Perhaps making cutouts of people--one for each victim so far this year--and then...I dunno, dumping them on his desk?

Ideas?



shoot him...?

(just a thought)

(and a prayer)

lolololol im in trouble now

ilduclo 02.15.2018 02:46 PM

living in rural Oregon and working in a trade where there are a lot of gun owners/hunters, I've yet to meet anyone who hunts with an AR style rifle. And, I've asked.

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilduclo
living in rural Oregon and working in a trade where there are a lot of gun owners/hunters, I've yet to meet anyone who hunts with an AR style rifle. And, I've asked.

the style is just plastic parts— just hype like cheesy rims on a car.

the caliber is a coyote/hog gun. some people use it for deer.

FIL has a .223 semiauto with a wood stock, and i’ve used it for target practice— it’s like buttah.

doesn’t look like “scary plastic gun” but it’s the same thing

in fact it was a sporting caliber before it was adopted for the m16 rifle

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 03:06 PM

no one hunts with that shit. if they do they are contradicting what sensible hunter's preach. AR15's destroy tissue. would ruin a hunting prey

ilduclo 02.15.2018 03:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiV7z4sbY_s

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 03:32 PM

http://outdoorhill.com/223-caliber-for-deer-hunting/

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 03:36 PM

if you are supposed to do ONE-shot ONE-kill, then why need a magazine with 30 rounds?

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
if you are supposed to do ONE-shot ONE-kill, then why need a magazine with 30 rounds?

the magazine is not the rifle though.

you can change magazines in your rifle to whatever size you want.

the one i’ve used that’s used for deer hunting has 5-mag rounds. my .22 plinkster came with a 10-round mag (but it’s a bolt action). you can ditch the mag and load one by one too.

the magazine is just how you load the bullets. it’s not the caliber or the power. it’s just a convenience.

the 30 round mags are used presumably for “home defense”, not for hunting.

in a high adrenaline situation you really don’t wanna be fucking around with sweaty hands. let’s say 4 big men break into your house to rape you in the ass. you have a 5 bullet mag, can you guarantee that you’ll hit your target with 1 bullet each and one spare? and if you miss, then you have to start to fiddle? maybe with the invaders shooting at you?

i’ve dealt with loading a gun under high adrenaline and it’s fucking confusing. i was trying to shoot a rattler that was trying to eat some kittens. that’s right— a snake vs cats and my wife could not open the ammo box and i couldn’t clear the slugs from the shotguns fast enough (i needed birdshot for the snake). a machete would have been more useful.

trust me in a “home defense” you want something that works reliably and with no fiddling. i can’t imagine the stress of a home invasion.

for this reason me personally for home defense i prefer a fucking revolver. it’s as simple as it gets. pull the trigger and it shoots. it beats racking a shotgun or cocking a pistol or dealing with jams. it’s fucking primitive and that’s what is great about it. primitive weapon for primitive response.

it’s only a six-shooter , but i have quick loaders ready. the quick loaders can be a pain though— you twist them wrong pulling out of the pouch and they spill all over the floor and you’re fucked.

so anyway if you favor the .223 caliber for home defense i understand why a 30-round mag would let you sleep easy knowing it’s ready the moment your alarm sounds.

i’m not saying everyone should have them though.

evollove 02.15.2018 04:04 PM

Doesn't the ar-15 jam a lot?

I mean, apparently not often enough, but isn't that a common failure?

!@#$%! 02.15.2018 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
Doesn't the ar-15 jam a lot?

I mean, apparently not often enough, but isn't that a common failure?

semi-autos can jam (but not often)

hence my preference for the six-shooter as said above

but YMMV

(e.g. some people are comfortable clearing jams)

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 04:38 PM

Military basic training records and manuals instruct that, even with the very best training/brainwashing/reprogramming, nearly 50% of soldiers fail to properly engage their firearm when first confronted with actual combat. 1 in 10 will straight up NOT fight, fire, attack. Those numbers have been fairly standard since the US military started keeping track during the Civil War. Now, while many gun owners in USA have been trained on how to clean, maintain, and fire their weapon, most of them have not been trained in how to stay cool and actually utitlize a killing tool to defend yourself.

to expect that owning a gun somehow makes you and your family safer is a bit of a stretch. Most gun fatalities happen at home, on purpose or by accident, and they have nothing to do with protecting from an intruder....

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 04:40 PM

I like revolvers. I find them to be what I enjoy in a firearm. 9mm, semi-auto handguns are fun to shoot fast, but the action is so much that I do not feel as comfy aiming and firing.

I enjoy shooting .22 rifles. I am a hell of a marksman with that thing.

I do not own any guns though.

Rob Instigator 02.15.2018 04:41 PM

Only 1 in ten cops ever have occassion to pull out their guns in a "possible-shooting" situation. That goes for the entire career! But let;s give them massive military-style weaponry!

Genteel Death 02.15.2018 04:55 PM

Anyone could walk into a crowd, even if they didn't own a gun, and kill a lot of people. It'd be interesting if the narrative we are normally fed didn't involve the murderer to be unstable or socially problematic. Rarely is the murderer portrayed as someone who simply intended to kill and was well aware of what they were doing with a lucid state of mind.


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