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evollove 11.08.2018 10:47 AM

LA GUNS!

SLAUGHTER!

WARRANT!

CINDERELLA!

RATT!

WINGER!

MOTLEY FUCKING CRUE!

These are the best bands ever. The singers hit high notes and the guitarists are fast. Do you losers even like music?

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
LA GUNS!

SLAUGHTER!

WARRANT!

MOTLEY FUCKING CRUE!

These are the best bands ever. Do you losers even like music?

lmao

 

Savage Clone 11.08.2018 02:24 PM

I would also argue that while hair metal has the word metal in the term, it's not metal. It's Glam Rock. 80s style rather than 70s. I had to live through that in real time and it was pretty awful.

I do miss the days when high tenor piercing singing was the standard rather than guttural growling all the time and everyone sounding basically the same because of it. I loved when a doom band had a killer vocalist like pentagram or candlemass et al. Spirit Adrift seem to be bringing it back, as do Khemmis.
Khemmis definitely strike me as a metal band that people who don't generally listen to metal can like, and they're way better than most bands that fall into that category.

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I do miss the days when high tenor piercing singing was the standard rather than guttural growling all the time and everyone sounding basically the same because of it.

but did you hate led zeppelin? i forget

cuz im thinking all those metal singers were trying to sound like plant

or ozzy

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i mean those who set the standard

Savage Clone 11.08.2018 03:05 PM

I do have a very tough time with Robert Plant but I think that's understandable. I love the Rhythm Section in that band though.
I think the real template for the kind of singing I'm talking about would be more in the operatic Style set up by Dickinson and Halford, and I say that being not much of a maiden fan at all. And I'm pretty sure Freddie Mercury and the vocal stylings of bands like Uriah Heep had to play into their Vision substantially.
Mercyful Fate were basically a more extreme and actually satanic version of the priest style in most ways, for instance.
Ozzy seems to be a strong contender in the Doom category however. But his voice is more limited than what I'm talking about. Even though he's certainly a great singer. Or was for a while at least!


(For my dadrock screecher, I prefer Ian Gillan of Deep Purple way over plant. Blackmore over Page too, for that matter)

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 03:11 PM

aaaaaahhhh

i see (i hear) what you mean, i think

evollove 11.08.2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I do miss the days when high tenor piercing singing was the standard rather than guttural growling all the time and everyone sounding basically the same because of it.


This confuses me, because I was fucking around with my list but did actually end up browsing some of those bands and related ones. Damn near every singer sounded the same.

I agree the guttural thing is repetitious too, but I can't hear why the high piercing gets a pass.

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
(For my dadrock screecher, I prefer Ian Gillan of Deep Purple way over plant. Blackmore over Page too, for that matter)

i wasnt arguing taste but advancing the notion that the piercing tenor in metal had descended from him

then i realized that you meant not-so-piercing

Savage Clone 11.08.2018 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
This confuses me, because I was fucking around with my list but did actually end up browsing some of those bands and related ones. Damn near every singer sounded the same.

I agree the guttural thing is repetitious too, but I can't hear why the high piercing gets a pass.



Stylistics sameyness is definitely a thing, but a lot of times I find it easier to tell one singer from another with clean vocals than with the standard demon Screech or guttural growl. I know quite a few female fronted death metal bands where you definitely have no idea whether the person is male or female, and that's kind of cool in a way but also shows how reductive the style is.

I'm never going to mistake King Diamond for Rob Halford, or Messiah for Bruce Dickinson.

Savage Clone 11.08.2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i wasnt arguing taste but advancing the notion that the piercing tenor in metal had descended from him

then i realized that you meant not-so-piercing

I'm also talking about a style which was more established in the new wave of British heavy metal era and not the Proto metal Hard Rock era, if you know what I mean.

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I'm also talking about a style which was more established in the new wave of British heavy metal era and not the Proto metal Hard Rock era, if you know what I mean.

yes

but those people grew up worshipping those dinos

and i hear plant in scorpions for example

[though they are german]

e.g. see

https://www.planetrock.com/news/rock...ed-everything/


[]
“(Klaus) was Rudolf’s favourite singer but Rudolf can’t really play guitar so he had nothing to offer to get him in his territory so he sent his little brother who was doing pretty well,” Michael explained.

“Klaus, he was a great singer so we had the potential of becoming the next Robert Plant and Jimmy Page or something like that. We were actually playing Zeppelin, Rory Gallagher, Deep Purple and all of that stuff.


xx

and okay maybe they were not THAT metal after all ha ha ha

xx

the freddy mercury link to iron maiden blew my mind a little though

!@#$%! 11.08.2018 07:45 PM

hey, curious to know where you’d place this

https://youtu.be/Zs5NOrYYV2s

Dr. Eugene Felikson 11.09.2018 01:41 AM

 

evollove 11.09.2018 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
hey, curious to know where you’d place this

https://youtu.be/Zs5NOrYYV2s



Starts with a disco beat! That is a surprisingly good track. I nearly danced. I can picture girls as well as boys digging it.

!@#$%! 11.09.2018 11:11 AM

found another:

Rock Cellar Magazine: Growing up, before metal existed, who were your influences?

Rob Halford: For me, as a singer, I loved listening to people like Janis Joplin and even people like Elvis and Little Richard. The voice is such a remarkable instrument. I always think when you’re singing, you’re singing from your soul. I get often asked, where do you find the way to scream so hard? If you listen to what Robert Plant was doing in those early Led Zeppelin albums or what Janis is doing with Big Brother & the Holding Company, it makes you understand what the human voice can do.

Rock Cellar Magazine: Can we hear any of those influences in your music?

Rob Halford: On the track called Revolution on the Angel of Retribution album, I was definitely channeling Robert Plant. You can hear it in the outro section mostly.



http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/20...er-spinal-tap/

Savage Clone 11.09.2018 11:35 AM

Halford is a case of the student far surpassing the master, it would seem.

evollove 11.09.2018 01:24 PM

Anyone else digging into remastered White Album?

SonicSleuth 11.09.2018 11:03 PM

Listening to "Night Falls on Hoboken" by Yo La Tengo has come to signify bedtime for my daughter. After bedtime and long day I listen to Daughters' You Won't Get What You Want with a beer. Then fall asleep to Sun Kil Moon's This Is My Dinner.

!@#$%! 11.10.2018 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Halford is a case of the student far surpassing the master, it would seem.

sure if that is your taste, but my point was about genealogies, and how the standard that you value came to be

demonrail666 11.10.2018 06:26 AM

I think Halford's vocals were more compatible with Priest's music than Page's were with LZ's.


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