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tesla69 03.11.2016 08:50 PM

This is not dissent, this is stalinism.

"Chicago community activist Quo Vadis said hundreds of protesters had positioned themselves in groups around the arena, and that they intend to demonstrate right after Trump takes the stage. Their goal, he said, is "for Donald to take the stage and to completely interrupt him. The plan is to shut Donald Trump all the way down."

The Soup Nazi 03.11.2016 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
This is not dissent, this is stalinism.


Oh COME ON.
 
Hyperbole of the YEAR.

Trump deserves to be shut all the way down. Now, in order not to fall into complete hypocrisy, I have to defend his right to speak horseshit after horseshit. But "Stalinism", gimme a break...

Drjohnrock 03.11.2016 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
Ain't these young people today terrific:







 



:cool:




I don't dislike Bernie Sanders. He would probably be a fun guy to have a couple of beers with. But my youthful idealism has long since faded. To anyone who thinks Sanders has a chance in hell of being president, I give you these two words: George McGovern. The parallels are striking: Nixon was a vulnerable incumbent. But McGovern was seen as way too far to the left, and Sanders is even more extreme. Anyone who calls himself a socialist isn't going to be elected president, at least not at this juncture. In fact, assuming Trump really gets the GOP nomination and survives an assassin's bullet, I think he could actually beat Sanders--and that is a very scary thought. Hillary Clinton is far from perfect, but I think a lot of the GOP tirades against her are overblown and hypocritical. As for Bengazi and the email "scandal", these would have been one day stories had she been a Republican-- as to the former, an underling would have said "The Secretary Of State can't micromanage the huge number of US diplomatic locations" and "her private server is much more secure and efficient than the inefficient one the government uses" as to the latter, and it all would have been over. Yeah, her ill advised trade agreement support is a negative, and she's not exactly free of fat cat influence. But the lesser of two evils is a very valid concept. We know she won't appoint Scalia types to the SCOTUS, wage war on women's reproductive rights, and will seek to improve on the Affordable Care Act, etc. And IMO, of all the candidates, she's the only adult in the room. Plus, she'll have Bill's help when he's not chasing interns. So my vote will go to Hillary.

tesla69 03.12.2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
Oh COME ON. http://i.imgur.com/MSNQ1V7.gif Hyperbole of the YEAR.

Trump deserves to be shut all the way down. Now, in order not to fall into complete hypocrisy, I have to defend his right to speak horseshit after horseshit. But "Stalinism", gimme a break...


It was a Stalinistic tactic to disrupt meetings with violence and shouting or just plain obstructionism. When I used to hang out with anarchists in Berkeley thats what they'd call it when the Sparticus League or Communist Party people would show up at open organization meetings around preserving People's Park and just make it impossible to get anything done. Its curious this happened in Chicago - and just like Mark Rubio's penis talk, the MSM is blaming this on Trump, as if he organized the demonstrators himself.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.12.2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
It was a Stalinistic tactic to disrupt meetings with violence and shouting or just plain obstructionism. When I used to hang out with anarchists in Berkeley thats what they'd call it when the Sparticus League or Communist Party people would show up at open organization meetings around preserving People's Park and just make it impossible to get anything done. Its curious this happened in Chicago - and just like Mark Rubio's penis talk, the MSM is blaming this on Trump, as if he organized the demonstrators himself.

Bro, i am surprised to see you diss the demonstrations outside. Trump didn't organize them but he definitely inspired them. Marching in the streets is as if not more potent a form of political speech and the political process as conventions, rallies, and elections. If Trump's supporters believe in their candidate the resistance will only further their resolve so it doesn't hurt him or them. What it DOES do is motivate, inspire, and rally the opposition to Trump.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.12.2016 08:24 PM

America is a nation founded on demonstrations, marches, and even rioting. Don't fuck with a proven American tradition

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.12.2016 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
being young and nave is soo cute. the only reason liberalism still lives is because of the baby boomers and the nostalgia that followed.

the proof is in the mushroom stew. just look at those kids with their tie dyed.

Sorry to disappoint but "liberalism" reflects people's desire for social justice and proactive change. The naivete is obvious but it doesn't negate the sincerity neither the necessity. Conservativism is a dinosaur ideology from petrified reactionaries terrified of the prospects of losing their privilege. Fuck em all dinosaurs go extinct. And like Kurt Cobain said, "and then we will move into their homes."

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.12.2016 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
all these dickwad presidential candidates can eat it.

can't wait to push random buttons on a touch screen. any meeny miny moe larry curly.

Obama will be the last won I vote for. he was handed a plate of shit to turn into gold. the heath care thing still has kinks. it tells me that some doctors must not be getting paid like they should. they'll also penalize you. they know the percentage that didn't sign up. remember how hard it was to register that shit? hey, im all for it dough.:) he did a good job.

the best thing for me to do is live off the grid as long a possible. Bush fucked up the banks for everyone to get loans. that damn bailout that was necessary only applies for people who have money now. maybe it's why I can't cash a check at a bank without an account or give them my hard earned 10 dollars.

See this might be the most intelligent thing you've posted in years. More like this less like those

tesla69 03.13.2016 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Bro, i am surprised to see you diss the demonstrations outside. Trump didn't organize them but he definitely inspired them. Marching in the streets is as if not more potent a form of political speech and the political process as conventions, rallies, and elections. If Trump's supporters believe in their candidate the resistance will only further their resolve so it doesn't hurt him or them. What it DOES do is motivate, inspire, and rally the opposition to Trump.


You clearly didn't read what I said, I didn't say anything about the demonstrations outside, I clearly referred to disruption of meetings. You clearly avoid that whole subject.

I don't know if it was twitty organized or through fascibook but 100's of people showed inside the stadium with the intention of constantly disrupting the proceedings. Their goal was to deny Trump and any of his supporters their right to free assembly.

Do you allow its ok for the antiabortionists to disrupt any activity they feel so compelled about?

That is the politics of children. small children. Waaah!

Real political organizing involves person to person one-to-one interactions and not hashtag ME ME ME - real world politics revolves around economics because that is the engine of society and requires the structures of the State with 300+ million fucking people in the goddamn country and 7 billion little cancerous humanclots running around the globe?

I hate to tell you but marching in the streets doesn't impress anyone anymore, its basically treated like hosting a parade of criminals and used to test out the latest in surveillance and crowd control and probably rightfully so. That quality that makes distinct civilization from the jungle is probably thinner than a dollar bill these days...and it is not by accident

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.13.2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
You clearly didn't read what I said, I didn't say anything about the demonstrations outside, I clearly referred to disruption of meetings. You clearly avoid that whole subject.

I don't know if it was twitty organized or through fascibook but 100's of people showed inside the stadium with the intention of constantly disrupting the proceedings. Their goal was to deny Trump and any of his supporters their right to free assembly.

Do you allow its ok for the antiabortionists to disrupt any activity they feel so compelled about?

That is the politics of children. small children. Waaah!

Real political organizing involves person to person one-to-one interactions and not hashtag ME ME ME - real world politics revolves around economics because that is the engine of society and requires the structures of the State with 300+ million fucking people in the goddamn country and 7 billion little cancerous humanclots running around the globe?

I hate to tell you but marching in the streets doesn't impress anyone anymore, its basically treated like hosting a parade of criminals and used to test out the latest in surveillance and crowd control and probably rightfully so. That quality that makes distinct civilization from the jungle is probably thinner than a dollar bill these days...and it is not by accident

stop being a bitch yo. Fuck Trump and his racist rallies and if the local community feels strongly enough to shut it down so be it. The decline in civilization is how millions of people are being "polite" to Trump and his supporters meanwhile he keeps spouting hate speexh and inflammatory rhetoric. What did Trump expect exactly? Everyone to be reasonable. You're just a pretend revolutionary and probably closet conservative.

tesla69 03.13.2016 12:11 PM

I just listened to the last hour of Trump speaking at rally in Bloomington IL - the guy can go on and on - at least 5 disrupters during the speech - there was a level of surrealism when he horribly read a poem about the broken snake and the gentle woman - his plan includes getting Christmas back - No TPP - no Obamacare - at one point he brought up a nameless legal immigrant who spoke about how the MSM won't differentiate between the legal immigrants and illegal border crossers - "We rebuilt China, the greatest theft in history" - he is clearly speaking about not rewarding corporations for leaving the USA and enacting tariffs to level the playing field and this is why the transnational death corporations are lining up against him.

He also tellingly said he'd rather run against Clinton than Sanders - I don't think he can win against Sanders - but Clinton has so much baggage and there are things hanging over her head - Honduras and Syria for 2 - the US's foreign policy has basically allowed if not outright backed another killing field, this time in Honduras

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.13.2016 12:12 PM

Trump is a crude beast and his supporters are savage brutes so they deserve the savage treatment. If you believe otherwise i find that hilarious.

tesla69 03.13.2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
stop being a bitch yo. yo yo yo yo yo


wow, at the end of the day, you're just a name caller, too.

tesla69 03.13.2016 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Trump is a crude beast and his supporters are savage brutes so they deserve the savage treatment. If you believe otherwise i find that hilarious.



Seriously, have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter? Or are you just making judgement based onthe selection presented to you on the msm? maybe you work with some loudmouth?

I'm sort of the school that says let these guys buy their own length of rope and hang themselves...I believe it is very healthy to have the even half witted excuse for public dialogue that is going on - but unfortunately the stalinist tendency to shout down and name call is very strong.

As for being a "closet conservative" I prefer "free thinker" When I was young, I was infected with this certain fire and we felt that all it is going to take is to tell people about this fire and they'll catch it too and we'll be in the soup. We called it taking 'taking personal responsibility'. Jello Biafra had part of the answer and to some extent I live that way when he simply suggested consuming as little as possible. Terence McKenna suggested each person only reproduce once, only one child, to save the environment, until we reached a stable population, perhaps served by robots, and chosen by natural selection and not oligarchical shit.

Trump had a weird moment when he started talking about 'the elites...they always talk about the elites..." he was trying to disrespect the media construction of 'elites' but it just kind of seemed like he was goofing on himself.

Look, the socialists approached us. I was an 18 year old corn dog from maine. The Youth Socialist Alliance would heavily recruit in the punk circles at my college (circa 1985) in NH. The CP was always trying to sell its newspaper at punk shows around Boston, especially around the Channel. We didn't know the YSA or SWA "movement" was a shell of the group it once was. I didn't really like their answers to my questions and refused to "join". They had a storefront in Boston which contained boxes on boxes and piles of theri booklets and pamphlets and handouts. We went down to volunteer but there wasn't really anything to do. I think I weasled out to go to Newberry Comics which had probably moved by that point out of the converted apartment it originally was. Maybe that was the night we saw Reagan Youth and the NYC Killdozer at The channel, NYC Killdozer were oddly also very heavy and monstrous but in a different way than the WI Killdozer, and the singer kept jabbing himself in the forehead with a phillips head screwdriver even after it was bleeding, like I think if he had found a soft spot he would not have hesitated to plunge the screwdriver right into the center of his brain, gone into a spasm, removed the screwdriver, and then gone on with the song...

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.13.2016 12:17 PM

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"We rebuilt China, the greatest theft in history" - he is clearly speaking about not rewarding corporations for leaving the USA and enacting tariffs to level the playing field and this is why the transnational death corporations are lining up against him.



Dude Trump is the epitome of corporate slime, tax dodging, loophole finding, low lives. He is part of why every thing is outsourced. He is part of the problem and his party is where "free trade" came from! Or what, do you honestly believe even a single word that drops out of Trump's mouth?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.13.2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
Seriously, have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter?

Fuck them don't need to. If they are stupid enough to support Trump they have already discredited themselves and franky so have you.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.13.2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
wow, at the end of the day, you're just a name caller, too.

Haha, in what universe can we even pretend to have a serious or adult conversation about Trump or his supporters? I didn't call you a name, i said don't be a bitch. Now if you want to act like a bitch then i will start calling out names, Lord knows I'm not shy.

evollove 03.15.2016 08:34 AM

This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump. Pussied out and went for Bern.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.15.2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump.

What in the world for?

evollove 03.15.2016 10:14 AM

Because some naive part of me thinks Americans aren't stupid enough to give him the win in November, but they might to Kasich or Rubio. Of course I hold out the possibility that I'm totally wrong.

Rob Instigator 03.15.2016 12:12 PM

government is NOT business.

evollove 03.15.2016 12:34 PM

Yeah, that drives me up the fucking wall. "If a company was run like Washington, it would be out of business!" Is that the sort of shit you're talking about?

Drjohnrock 03.15.2016 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump. Pussied out and went for Bern.




Originally, I was going to do the same thing, for the same strategic reasons. I figured Trump, barring assassination, would be the easiest Republican to beat in November, and that he would take down a lot of down ticket Republicans with him. But (1) the fuckhead is so evil I couldn't bring myself to do it, and (2) Even though I know a lot of it is media hype, and that the primaries bring out extremists, I'm starting to get concerned about the huge number of mindless sheep who have voted for the fuckhead.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.15.2016 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Because some naive part of me thinks Americans aren't stupid enough to give him the win in November, but they might to Kasich or Rubio. Of course I hold out the possibility that I'm totally wrong.

Good idea. So was it an open primary in Ohio?

evollove 03.15.2016 03:11 PM

Yes. Plus it's winner takes all. Some crazy shit'll go down today.

Rob Instigator 03.15.2016 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Yeah, that drives me up the fucking wall. "If a company was run like Washington, it would be out of business!" Is that the sort of shit you're talking about?


yes

Business is only one aspect of what needs to be considered in governing, especially when ti comes to foreign policy, but the business of the USA is business. Our government has been co-opted by corporations for decades and decades.

ilduclo 03.15.2016 04:24 PM

what I'm hoping for is for Trump to get stiffed at the convention, go for a 3rd party run, split the asshole vote, and Demo for the easy win!

tesla69 03.15.2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
what I'm hoping for is for Trump to get stiffed at the convention, go for a 3rd party run, split the asshole vote, and Demo for the easy win!


A vote for Hillary is a vote for Wall Street economics. Hillary is partly responsible for the criminal hell in Honduras. When she was Senator did she do anything for NY other than vote yes for every version of the Patriot Act?

It is bizarro world.

The Soup Nazi 03.15.2016 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
This is not dissent, this is stalinism.


Darlin'
You don't have to call me
Stalin

Or even Mao Tse Tung
'Cause I'm far too young;
My rising
Sign is Capricorn; is that
Surprising?
You know that I was born
So very soft and easy going
I make no trouble at all

I was listening
Yeah, I was listening to the Devil's Radio
I was listening
Yeah, I was listening to the Devil's Radio
And it went na na na na na na
I'm the Devil's radio

Evil
Its tentacles are bland
It's like a weevil
It burrows through the land
And everybody smiles
Everybody smiles
Michael don't you KNOW someday a
Spike'll
Grow right through the woodwork
And come out through your palm

We was listening
We was listening to the Devil's Radio
We was listening
We was listening to the Devil's Radio
And it went na na na na na na
I'm the Devil's Radio

Sun sets on the Devil
Sun sets on the West
He's listening to the FM talk show
It's what he loves the best

Limbaugh
He was talking through a bimbo
But don't
Touch that dial
Or that hateful smile
Kate said
"The flowers of intolerance and hatred
Are blooming kind of early
This year
Someone's been watering them"

We was listening
Ah, we was listening to the Devil's Radio
We was listening
Yeah, we was listening to the Devil's Radio
And it went na na na na na na
I'm not the Devil's Radio
Na na na na na na
I'm the Devil's Radio

Drjohnrock 03.15.2016 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
A vote for Hillary is a vote for Wall Street economics. Hillary is partly responsible for the criminal hell in Honduras. When she was Senator did she do anything for NY other than vote yes for every version of the Patriot Act?

It is bizarro world.




I won't get into every vote she cast or every action she took. But to imply there's no difference between her and the average fuckhead GOP politician is quite a stretch. As I said at greater length upthread, she won't appoint Scalia types to the SCOTUS, attempt to trample women's reproductive rights, or tinker with the Affordable Care Act except to make improvements. Least of all evils is a very valid concept. You can waste your vote on Sanders if you like but I don't have any time for naive idealism. I live in the real world. If you really think Sanders has a chance in hell of being president, read about the trouncing of George McGovern in 1972. And Sanders is even further to the left than McGovern was. The stakes are too high, so HRC will have my vote come November.

evollove 03.15.2016 08:07 PM

Yes, but...

Hillary says coal's got to go. Then, she's in front of an audience in Appalachia where many coal miners work. She backtracks like, I don't know, Romney or something.

Yes, but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock
she won't appoint Scalia types to the SCOTUS, attempt to trample women's reproductive rights, or tinker with the Affordable Care Act except to make improvements


Yes, but...

She's considering Sherod Brown as VP. Why? So the liberal dems will actually come out and vote for her. Fucking pathetic.

Yes, but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock
she won't appoint Scalia types to the SCOTUS, attempt to trample women's reproductive rights, or tinker with the Affordable Care Act except to make improvements


etc.

Drjohnrock 03.15.2016 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove

She's considering Sherod Brown as VP. Why? So the liberal dems will actually come out and vote for her. Fucking pathetic.





Or she just wants to win Ohio--and having Brown on the ticket would certainly help.

I never said she was a saint, evollove. We'll just have to agree to disagree, as we often do. Maybe you can write a song for your band, something like "Drjohnrock Is Hillary's Pimp".

tesla69 03.15.2016 09:22 PM

trump just thanked his soninlaw who is a carpetbagger slumlord well loathed n the east village...


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1861391

evollove 03.16.2016 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock
We'll just have to agree to disagree


No, we're just not communicating well, which is my fault. I was just trying to illustrate the annoying back-and-forth that I assume goes on in most liberal democrats minds. For every reason to loath her for her wimpy, moderate and sometimes cowardly stances, there's this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drjohnrock
she won't appoint Scalia types to the SCOTUS, attempt to trample women's reproductive rights, or tinker with the Affordable Care Act except to make improvements


It's an elegant list and I can't disagree. I'd vote for her in the general, but will you allow me to not enjoy doing so?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.16.2016 10:23 AM

 

Drjohnrock 03.16.2016 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
No, we're just not communicating well, which is my fault. I was just trying to illustrate the annoying back-and-forth that I assume goes on in most liberal democrats minds. For every reason to loath her for her wimpy, moderate and sometimes cowardly stances, there's this:



It's an elegant list and I can't disagree. I'd vote for her in the general, but will you allow me to not enjoy doing so?


Of course I will grant you that indulgence. I might even join you in not enjoying myself in that endeavor;)

tesla69 03.16.2016 03:58 PM

What does Trump say about Apple? This article suggests the attack on Apple is an FBI plan to force the source code to be revealed to help out dictators around the world.

http://www.softwar.net/cryptowar2.html

tw2113 03.17.2016 12:50 AM

I've said for awhile that it's more or less a 1 party system in 2-party clothing. You're getting screwed one way or another. However, I'm also highly cynical and apathetic.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 03.17.2016 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
What does Trump say about Apple?


Why in the world would it in any way matter?

The Soup Nazi 03.17.2016 07:25 PM

 


Trump Warns Of 'Riots' If Hes Not The GOP Nominee In A Contested Convention

 


 


https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dRgTvATNQ9kBslMq1yu9nLRs1rEoM&authuser=0&n ed=us&topic=h&siidp=213a68f24460ae4df0b6f2b5bdc0d0 ed77e6


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