i cant seem to find it in the pitchfork archive. is it there, or are they not brave enough to maintain that oppinion?

personally, i think this is one of the best of SY's entire discography.

i don't remember Pitchfork giving it that score. i do remember somebody giving it a 0.0 out of five, though... somebody posted it on the old board as i recall.

s.

google is your friend:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/articl...ghosts-flowers

The critic is an asshole, but there are some valid points though: I do think that the production is extremely cold, which up to now prevents me from getting into the record.

I always thought that on some songs it sounded like the strings were being very slightly muted with a rubber stick.

I'll add there are great guitar parts in the record though, and the shows from that period rank among their best.

Holy crap your name is Torn Curtain, not Tom Curtain. Dude, how slow am I?

i was at a book store and picked up a rolling stone record review book and they gave nyc ghosts & flowers a half of a star or something.

It definately more of fan's album. I can't imagine that many people would get into SY through this record.
But for pitchfork to give it 0 out of 5 was ridiculous really, especially as this album at the very least is more interesting than most stuff that came out in 2000.

Funny, I just saw that this thread is linked from the album's Wikipedia page as proof that Sonic Youth fans generally really lie NYC G&F.

It did take me a while to get around to listening to NYC G&F but I do like it a lot. More so than, say, Dirty.

Plus we have that last.fm group for it.

its one of my favourite albums out of my favourite SY period, which started with washing machine and ended with murray street. its really great

i have daily battles with myself over which album i prefer out of A thousand leaves, nycgaf, washing machine and murray street.

Like some others, when I first sat and listen to it I immediately thought the only great song was the self-titled track. I thought the rest of the album sucked. The more I listened to it the more it grew on me. I don't hold it as my favorite Sy geffen release or anything, its just a flashpoint for their career. In my mind it could be easily swapped for Rather Ripped. I mean the youth had their gear stolen and went into the studio trying to recapture those old sounds and create new ones, cool I'm there. But in many ways when I listen to RR I feel its the album that should have come out in NYCGF place, a totally straight-up stripped down record. NYCGF has a very avant-futuristic feel to it and I can't recall another main album that features horns on it.

So yeah, it doesn't suck.

I have always held the album in high esteem in spite of what critics and even supposed fans say.

critics, sy fans.. fuck em all. what would they know about diddley squant!

I agree
but these 4 albums are for me some of the most exciting music Ive ever listened to

Great record.And the tour they did for it was spectacular.

This is their last good album to date.

James Blonde agrees.

nope. murray street was their last good album