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noisereductions 10.11.2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
I don't listen to Foo because I don't like Dave Grohl. Is that wrong? Yes, he seems nice and warmly gregarious. Too much so. Dial it back dude.


lol

he really does seem like a nice guy. And I've heard numerous people who have met him say that, yeah he's a super nice guy.

But I mean whatever.

I just like the way the songs sound haha.

evollove 10.11.2017 01:10 PM

Sometimes I won't listen to an artist because they are a shitty person.

This is the first time I've avoided someone because the dude was too kind!

But yeah. Intellectually I know the platters are all that matter.

noisereductions 10.11.2017 01:19 PM

I'm genuinely trying to think if I've really ever avoided someone's music because I think the person is a prick. I don't think I do this, though. With any art really.

I kind of think in general that if I were to avoid myself of music/movies/books/etc because the creator was an asshole in real life... well, I'd prob miss out on a lot of good things haha.

But yeah, the "too kind" Grohl thing... that is kind of funny, man.

Severian 10.11.2017 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
lol

he really does seem like a nice guy. And I've heard numerous people who have met him say that, yeah he's a super nice guy.

But I mean whatever.

I just like the way the songs sound haha.


I met him once. Briefly. Didn’t exchange enough words to get much of a sense of his character, but he definitely doesn’t seem like a bastard. Pat Smear was with him (seriously!) and Pat kinda did give me a bit of a bastard vibe.

I have nothing against Dave Grohl other than his commitment to embodying the rock establishment and carrying on traditions that are best left to die. He is to this generation what Paul McCartney was in the ‘70s and ‘80s — just a fucking poster child for traditionalism and rockstarness.
Hard to believe he was in Nirvana (or any of the other bands he played with) because he’s just so fucking MEH now. And has been for like 18 years.

As a guy he seems fine, so I honestly wish I didn’t have to kind of hate his ass.

First album was still great though.

Severian 10.11.2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
alright. So then as I assumed you've decided it's not good without hearing it. That's fine. Do your thing.

I like "Times Like These" myself. Shrug. I like pretty much all their stuff. Though One By One is certainly a weak link in their discography.

I don't know, to me much of their post 90's work is just good straight forward rock and roll. It's not ground-breaking or anything, but it sounds good to my ears.

At any rate Concrete And Gold is interesting because the Foo Fighters and Queens Of The Stone Age seem to have been hanging out quite a bit, bouncing ideas off each other while recording their new albums and I feel like the influence of the other shows in both albums. The new QOTSA is friggin' great as well, and I feel like it's "okay" to like them haha.


It is ok to like them. If it sounds good to your ears, good for you. But yeah, I’m deciding I don’t need to hear it because I am pretty sure I know what it sounds like. Is it a drastic 180 change from everything the Foos have recorded since 1997? If so, if you tell me, “Yes Severian, it’s completely new and different and totally unlike everything else,” then I will listen to it.

If that’s not the case, no point.

I also don’t really like any QOTSA post-Songs for the Deaf. Even that album is super meh compared to the two before it, which were brilliant. Kind of a similar situation to the Foos in that regard, I guess. And haven’t those two bands had kind of an incestuous relationship since like 2001?

Anyway, yeah, I kind of hate straight forward rock that is made in this era. Straight forward rock from back when the world needed such things has a certain vitality to it. Straight forward rock right now sounds like the radio in a dentist’s office.

noisereductions 10.11.2017 06:41 PM

I get you. And I think straightforward rock is just comforting to my ears these days. Not that I don't like other stuff of course. But sure, Foos and Weezer and whatever is def straightforward. No doubt.

I've mentioned recently that in a weird way this "dentists office rock" is almost interesting outsider music to me because... I don't know who else is listening to it besides me haha. I guess it's Nu Dad Rock tho. Or whatever you wanna call it.

Does the new Foos sound like nothing they did before? Nah. It does sound darker and has a QOTSA vibe I guess. It's kind of proggy at times. Eh. I'm not urging you to listen. But it's a good album. Damn good to my ears.

I still think Songs For The Deaf is great. I kind of put it up there next to Rated R really.

I'm surprised Smear came off somewhat jerky to you. He seems like a nice dude in interviews or whatever. Though, I don't think any other "rock star" nowadays has Nicest Guy Award level reputation that Grohl does haha.

noisereductions 10.11.2017 09:42 PM

Actually, a question: why doesn't the world need straight forward rock now in your opinion?

Severian 10.12.2017 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I get you. And I think straightforward rock is just comforting to my ears these days. Not that I don't like other stuff of course. But sure, Foos and Weezer and whatever is def straightforward. No doubt.

I've mentioned recently that in a weird way this "dentists office rock" is almost interesting outsider music to me because... I don't know who else is listening to it besides me haha. I guess it's Nu Dad Rock tho. Or whatever you wanna call it.

Does the new Foos sound like nothing they did before? Nah. It does sound darker and has a QOTSA vibe I guess. It's kind of proggy at times. Eh. I'm not urging you to listen. But it's a good album. Damn good to my ears.

I still think Songs For The Deaf is great. I kind of put it up there next to Rated R really.

I'm surprised Smear came off somewhat jerky to you. He seems like a nice dude in interviews or whatever. Though, I don't think any other "rock star" nowadays has Nicest Guy Award level reputation that Grohl does haha.


The Pat Smear thing is complicated. I didn’t talk to him more than to introduce myself, but I observed him, and I didn’t really like what I saw. That’s all. This was in 1996, I think.

QOTSA = SELF-TITLED > Rated R > Songs for the Deaf

Severian 10.12.2017 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Actually, a question: why doesn't the world need straight forward rock now in your opinion?


I’ll hVe to give this more thought, but my quick answer is thy after five decades of guitar/bass/drum rock and pop mixtures, all that ground has pretty much been covered. There’s some mind blowing music out there, but none of it is of the “3-minute songs by dudes singing about girls” variety.

noisereductions 10.12.2017 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I’ll hVe to give this more thought, but my quick answer is thy after five decades of guitar/bass/drum rock and pop mixtures, all that ground has pretty much been covered. There’s some mind blowing music out there, but none of it is of the “3-minute songs by dudes singing about girls” variety.


I get what you're saying about covered ground, but I don't know why we NEED all music to be mind blowing or new. I feel like this kind of thinking is akin to saying something like "eh, after all the years we've heard variations of every kind of joke... so we don't need comedy movies anymore." Y'know?

I think that in this day and age we need straight ahead rock and comedy movies just as much as we need chicken soup, bruh.

Severian 10.12.2017 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I get what you're saying about covered ground, but I don't know why we NEED all music to be mind blowing or new. I feel like this kind of thinking is akin to saying something like "eh, after all the years we've heard variations of every kind of joke... so we don't need comedy movies anymore." Y'know?

I think that in this day and age we need straight ahead rock and comedy movies just as much as we need chicken soup, bruh.


Yeah I think so too. But we don’t need the same rock and roll formulas that made the ‘80s the ‘80s or the ‘90s the ‘90s. We need rock that both rocks and is exciting and fresh.

So, no, we shouldn’t stop making comedy movies. Just, y’know, no more Jerry Lewis ones. If that makes sense.

evollove 10.12.2017 11:44 AM

Let's say there is a new band.

They sound almost exactly like Joy Division. They admit in interviews they model themselves on JD.

Here's the catch: they have much better songs, and in many other ways are a superior band.

Exciting or eh?

greenlight 10.13.2017 05:00 AM

The Upper Wilds debut is easily the best rock record this year

Upper Wilds is the new band of Brooklyn based musician Dan Friel (Parts & Labor). Friel’s calling cards are his heavily distorted textures and addictive melodies. These high intensity pop songs are reminiscent of label mates Lightning Bolt, with whom Friel toured in 2015. However, where Lightning Bolt's vocals are heavily distorted, Friel’s tend toward the soaring style of pop/punk vocalists. The limited LP Guitar Module 2017 was recorded with Friel playing all the guitar and keys and for the first time since Parts & Labor, singing. Captured by the engineering team at Machines With Magnets (Battles, The Body), Guitar is an overdriven soundtrack for powering through dark days, and a sweaty summer anthem that should be played LOUDLY.

Severian 10.13.2017 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Let's say there is a new band.

They sound almost exactly like Joy Division. They admit in interviews they model themselves on JD.

Here's the catch: they have much better songs, and in many other ways are a superior band.

Exciting or eh?


Probably at least a little bit exciting, but this isn’t the case with the Foos of course.

evollove 10.13.2017 05:28 AM

I've just been going back and forth in my mind: something original vs something simply good. Can't make up my mind which is preferable.

noisereductions 10.13.2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
I've just been going back and forth in my mind: something original vs something simply good. Can't make up my mind which is preferable.


I think originality is overrated honestly. And I mean let's be real: any band making music with say guitars and drums... not all that original is it? They might use some diff chords - or no chords at all. But other bands have done those things too.

With music, and any art, I just want things that sound good to me or whatever. It's all about the personal response. Like, when I hear a song I like I'm not thinking "okay, wait... is this new and unique? Has this been done before? I don't want to like it if it's not checking off these boxes first..." y'know?

Severian 10.13.2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I think originality is overrated honestly. And I mean let's be real: any band making music with say guitars and drums... not all that original is it? They might use some diff chords - or no chords at all. But other bands have done those things too.

With music, and any art, I just want things that sound good to me or whatever. It's all about the personal response. Like, when I hear a song I like I'm not thinking "okay, wait... is this new and unique? Has this been done before? I don't want to like it if it's not checking off these boxes first..." y'know?


Same here with the “does it sound good to me?” criteria, but I do think that things that sound new, different or compelling in one way or another are more likely to sound good to me than things that sound exactly like 40+ years of other stuff.

Very little is truly original, but the stuff that is tends to be better overall than the stuff that lacks inventiveness and originality completely. That can, I believe, be pretty fairly said about the Foo Fighters. There is nothing going on there that hasn’t been done better a million times.

But I do think I know what you mean to some extent. After all, I get all the Thurston and Lee albums knowing they’re going to sound like Thurston and Lee. And I like those albums. But they don’t pump me up or make my brain tingle like shit that sounds urgent and necessary and daring.

But whatever I’m just some asshole.

noisereductions 10.19.2017 09:29 AM

Foo Fighters
There Is Nothing Left To Lose
1999, Interesting album this one. On their third LP, the Foos were reduced to a core trio of Dave on guitar, Nate on bass and newly hired Taylor on drums. Maybe this stripped down lineup is responsible for the shift towards more traditional rock songwriting here. Or maybe it was the luxury of recording this thing in Dave's basement with no deadlines or label interference. Whatever it is, this was surely a divisive release among fans. Me? I loved it when it came out. And I guess I still do. There's no denying that nostalgia plays a big role in that. This is one of those records that just brings me back to a specific time: my first year in college, working in a record store and hanging out with friends. So that's what this album sounds like to me. It sounds like a carefree time with no responsibilities; a time before social media and all the other rubbish of modern life. But I digress. "Stacked Actors" is friggin' awesome. A great way to start a record as it stands as a manifesto of sorts. It opens with riffs akin to what you'd have expected on The Colour And The Shape, but then morphs into something way more chill and then bounces back and forth. And that's what this record kind of is. It's happy turned up to eleven, but also comfortable with laying low. There's definitely a good number of mellow songs here - "Next Year" perhaps the most well known. The album also featured "Learn To Fly" which has remained one of the band's calling cards. I think my favorite may still be "Breakout," which feels like it shows its 80's punk and new wave love on its sleeve. Look, this record is definitely not the same caliber as its two predecessors. But just going by nostalgia, There Is Nothing Left To Lose sounds really really great to my ears.

Severian 10.19.2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Foo Fighters
There Is Nothing Left To Lose
1999, Interesting album this one. On their third LP, the Foos were reduced to a core trio of Dave on guitar, Nate on bass and newly hired Taylor on drums. Maybe this stripped down lineup is responsible for the shift towards more traditional rock songwriting here. Or maybe it was the luxury of recording this thing in Dave's basement with no deadlines or label interference. Whatever it is, this was surely a divisive release among fans. Me? I loved it when it came out. And I guess I still do. There's no denying that nostalgia plays a big role in that. This is one of those records that just brings me back to a specific time: my first year in college, working in a record store and hanging out with friends. So that's what this album sounds like to me. It sounds like a carefree time with no responsibilities; a time before social media and all the other rubbish of modern life. But I digress. "Stacked Actors" is friggin' awesome. A great way to start a record as it stands as a manifesto of sorts. It opens with riffs akin to what you'd have expected on The Colour And The Shape, but then morphs into something way more chill and then bounces back and forth. And that's what this record kind of is. It's happy turned up to eleven, but also comfortable with laying low. There's definitely a good number of mellow songs here - "Next Year" perhaps the most well known. The album also featured "Learn To Fly" which has remained one of the band's calling cards. I think my favorite may still be "Breakout," which feels like it shows its 80's punk and new wave love on its sleeve. Look, this record is definitely not the same caliber as its two predecessors. But just going by nostalgia, There Is Nothing Left To Lose sounds really really great to my ears.


Last Foos album that didn’t make me sick with boredom. Probably would today if I tried it out.

BUT, I like “Gimme Stitches,” and “Generator” was definitely a soundtrack to a carefree time for me as well.

“Learn to Fly” is godawful.
“Aurora” was pretty OK.
That’s about it.

noisereductions 10.19.2017 08:53 PM

"Learn To Fly" is one I can't separate from the nostalgia, so I know I'm not being unbiased.

"Stitches" is very good. "MIA" is another fav on there.


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