i read that as 'good brothers' first, then had to look up 'god botherers' just to find out it actually means 'good brothers' (in a way).
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"god-botherer"

hahaha.. I ain't never bothered nobody about it, just share who I am, funny y'all are always free to share who y'all are, but if I share who I am I get attacked.

as to my comments about marraige, they're not influenced by my religion at all, in fact, my religion has very specific views internally on religion exclusively for Orthodox Christians which aren't expected of anyone else, so why would I even bother pushing those views on y'all?

Further, sonicgail is MY FRIEND, and the comments I posted were very specific. Y'all are throwing around congratulatory high-fives and Oprah "you go girls" without also really being her friend and supporting the reality that divorce isn't magic. its not suddenly going to make everything better, or easier, and its not going to make the work of raising children go away, it just changes the equation. the math is still there. the work is still there.

I'm not going to drag out her private business all across the forum, just explaining myself since I seem to have been competely misunderstood, as always. I ain't got beef with sonicgail, I ain't hating on her, I ain't even suggesting she should have stayed in that relationship, after all, she proved my point more than anything in trying her best for 17 years. More than most people...

Its the TRYING part I'm concerned with. Raising a family takes effort, it takes TRYING your best, even when things fail. My comments then are not to discourage her, but rather to be REALISTIC, there is still A LOT of work for her to do, and I hope and pray that this "breath of fresh air" reinvigorates her energy to step up and continue to be the heroic mom she already is. ALL moms are heroic, especially those who are trying their best.

!!! - Pardon my Freedom
http://youtu.be/rrajuEyRLxs

The Church of the Almighty Mario preaches that everyone should just fucking CHILL OUT.

I'm going to choose to ignore the inherent sexism in your "you go girl" remark, but HOW DARE YOU.

trying? HOW DARE YOU.

this may be the biggest bunch of horseshit I've ever seen you type. man, and have I seen some horseshit.

fucking jesus, I have a headache.

and just to be perfectly clear, it's not that your statement itself contains fallacies, it's the pedestal that you've placed yourself upon in determining how another person has or has not "tried" in their attempts at a relationship with another. I'm quite sure that the blible has a thing or two to say on this matter....girlfriend.

Put that back into its proper context you so cleverly avoided in your tirade. She tried her best, and now that she has moved on she has to continue trying her best this time in a different way, on her own. That is not easy, and like I said, divorce isn't magic, and no, the Bible has nothing to do with any of it.

Right, you forgot this part too ;)

as long as YOU say so...I'm sure it's ok.

Congrats on a new life start Gail. An unhappy relationship of any kind is never a beneficial choice to your emotional self, or to any kids surrounding its toxic runoff. Good luck on your new path and staying clean and everything wonderful after that. :)

I think the most bothersome part of what you've said such friends, is the implication that a victim of emotional abuse(which is what it sounds like Gail has been going through) has the entire burden of sustaining a marriage, and if they don't just stay they aren't trying hard enough? There is a lot to be said for realizing your limits on a psychological level, and that at some point walking away is less damaging and more courageous for everyone involved, than staying to face a wall of arrows evermore... Simply because you're "married". A promise is a beautiful thing, but the fear of breaking the sanctity of marriage because of pride, a higher power, or an embodiment of and display of strength, is still, a fear. Why plough on for years to prove a point that you can, when life's pleasures, relationships, and loves are about so much more. You may weather the longest storm but at what cost?

what the fuck is going on here. all the people i have on ignore are posting a bunch of posts. should i read them?

NAH!

Yeah, well, I've got YOU on ignore too...

Oh hang on a minute...

hello spookie.

are you making pancakes for your kids?

PANCAKES, MAN.

PS- i can share you the whole extinct google knol if it doesn't connect.

pps- in spite of writing about "american pancakes," scott jenson is a british software injuneer. who apparently moved to silicon valley at some point.

Not today, I'm out of eggs.

But I made them for Pancake Day.

those are more like crepes. the 'merican pancake is literally lofty.

they are also quicker than your flatbread. which is a great fucking flatbread. but anyway.

i forget what i was going to say. it's the gin.

ps. this is saint scott jenson on the subject:

I do make American pancakes if I'm doing them for breakfast but I haven't made them for a while. I might make some tomorrow.

But today it's tea and toast.