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Rob Instigator 10.06.2006 04:54 PM

Letter from Marine officer in Iraq
 
Written last month, this straightforward account of life in Iraq by a Marine officer was initially sent just to a small group of family and friends. His honest but wry narration and unusually frank dissection of the mission contrasts sharply with the story presented by both sides of the Iraq war debate, the Pentagon spin masters and fierce critics. Perhaps inevitably, the "Letter from Iraq" moved quickly beyond the small group of acquantainaces and hit the inboxes of retired generals, officers in the Pentagon, and staffers on Capitol Hill. TIME's Sally B. Donnelly first received a copy three weeks ago but only this week was able to track down the author and verify the document's authenticity. The author wishes to remain anonymous but has allowed us to publish it here — with a few judicious omissions.

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes

Tokolosh 10.06.2006 06:29 PM

Chilling read. Reminds me of my days in the red zone...

static-harmony 10.06.2006 06:59 PM

Depressing really it is. Made me sad. Wish the war is over, also for concern over my brother, and for other soldiers over there, and their families.

Bastian 10.06.2006 07:55 PM

It`s depressing, indeed. And it also reminds me of what those soldiers are going through, what they sacrifice to build a better future for Iraq and for the world. And it makes me very angry that people in Europe (and also in the US, i guess) compare them to Nazis! It`s so discusting.

I wish the war would be over, but I know it`s not. I hope that Iraqi democracy will prevail, that civil war will be prevented, and a stable iraqi state will evolve, without jihadist or sectarian violence. And I hope the best for the GIs over there.

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 07:57 PM

Fuck this war. I don't support their ignorant decision to "serve their country," and if you've got a problem with that, well, you can kiss my ass.

They made their beds and they can just lie in them.

Bastian 10.06.2006 07:58 PM

So you don`t care for the Iraqi people.. well, I do.

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 07:59 PM

I'm speaking of the United States military officials. I have no sympathy for murderers.

Bastian 10.06.2006 08:05 PM

Sadly, those "murderers" are all that stands between the Iraqis and a murderous civil war. Wouldn`t it be more wise to support them, to prevent more killings by murderous "insurgents", who shot people in the legs because they were short trousers or because they belong to the "wrong" confession of Islam (sunni/shia)?

Tokolosh 10.06.2006 08:09 PM

The soldiers that do the dirty work are in a different situation to the politicians and high officials, that sent them there. This war will not end as quick as most of us thought...

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 08:10 PM

I'm not talking about the politicians. I am talking about THE soldiers, out on the fucking warfront shooting innocent bystanders. I feel no sympathy for those motherfuckers. THEY are the ones who put themselves in that situation, they KNOW they could die. Hence,

You made your bed, now lie in it.

Bastian 10.06.2006 08:12 PM

They usually don`t shot innocent bystanders. And if they do, they get into trouble.

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 08:15 PM

Why is there a plethora of Iraqi civilians dead at the hands of the US military, then?

Bastian 10.06.2006 08:34 PM

Well.. Why is there a plethora of French civilians dead at the hands fo the US military, then, in 1944?

What I`m trying to say is.. civilian casualties will happen in a conflict, even if an army tries to prevent and minimize them. What the US Army does, in contrast to the forces they are fighting in Iraq. You can`t fight a war without civilian casulties. Of course, this doesn`t mean that you shouldn`t pay attention to civilians.. The contrary: civilian causulties should be reduced as much as possible, and sometimes even if that means a higher risk to the lives of your own soldiers. But in the end, there will still be civilian casulties, if civilians are living in the combat zone. You can`t fight a war without killing innocents.. it`s the human dilemma: there`s no perfect solution without negative aspects..

How to free Iraq from Saddam without innocent people dying? Impossible.
But keeping him in power? Still innocent people will die. More than if you invade? Very possible, if you think of the +/- 1 Million people killed during Saddam´s reign.

Of course, all this doesn`t mean I agree with every single action the US military did in Iraq. There might have been ilegitimate killings of civilians, and if those happened, I condemn them. But otherwise, I won`t call a GI a murderer if he`s fighting a just war against the real murderers, the baathists and jihadists in Iraq.

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 08:37 PM

We can't "free" Iraq. It's their own business, NOT ours. America needs to stop trying to be the world's 9-1-1 because it is not working to our advantage.

Ohama Beach `44 10.06.2006 08:38 PM

bastian. i totally agree with you!!

Ohama Beach `44 10.06.2006 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
We can't "free" Iraq. It's their own business, NOT ours. America needs to stop trying to be the world's 9-1-1 because it is not working to our advantage.

of course it is the business of a civilized community to free others from barbarianism like dictatorship and all it´s causes and effects on freedom and democracy.

Bastian 10.06.2006 08:45 PM

It`s not their own business.. it`s our business. If thousands of people in Iraq are killed by their murderous dictator, it`s our, it`s the world`s business to stop him!

Same goes for the genocide that`s happening in Darfur right now. It`s almost another Rwanda down there, and the world ignores it, and hides behind the "souvereignity of the nation Sudan" or whatever.. the mass murder must stop!

Cantankerous 10.06.2006 08:53 PM

Don't be a baby. MY country cannot even take care of it's own citizens. The last thing we need to worry about is the citizens of another country.

Bastian 10.06.2006 09:00 PM

The isolationist approach.. thank god American isolationism came to an end before it was too late.

static-harmony 10.06.2006 09:35 PM

My brother is not a murderer, he is just doing what he signed to do. That's what I hate blaming the soldiers and not the politicians or those in High rank positions.


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