I think the lips are great, and I hope that their cover of Borderline is on there.

Of course they used to be better; that's something that can be said for virtually every band out there. But look at their contemporaries from back in the day. Flaming Lips started almost as a wannabe Butthole Surfers knock off, and I feel that they eventually surpassed them. And while both bands have progressively gotten worse through the years, I feel that The Flaming Lips' downward spiral is going at a much slower pace.

if yr basing this on record sales and drooling fanbois, then yeah, maybe?

however, I saw the surfers less than two months ago, and they still fucking kick ass.

no gimmicky (and overused) stage presence needed to cover up the smell of the music and no inflated egos.

Paul Leary is yr GAWD. yr worship is mandatory. on yr knees, mortal.

i cant get excited about this..... its not gonna be a hit to death or anything..... the flaming lips were once a great band.

was going to post a floats will get his laserbeams out over that one, but didn't want to influence what might be said(what troll lvl), so remained silent.

god, I'm such a reader and not a talker in the music section. : /

^^^ yeah, I pretty much shit on every lips thread I can find.

it's a promise that I made to myself a few years ago.

who would have thought the day would come?

oh I just mean't that part of afterthefact's post, but yeh. It's a shame.

The flaming pussy lips.

I've never seen them live, so I can't speak for their live shows. I'm just going on how I feel about their music.

if yr searching for sunshiney-feel-good, the lips might be the way to go.

however, if yr interested in something more intense, the surfers are the clear choice.

and yes, the lips albums are more polished and far more critically acclaimed than anything the surfers have obtained; I use neither of these things to qualify what's good.

mostly, I just have a gorilla-sized grudge on my back that the lip's watered-down music can't shake. however, there was a time in recent memory, when they meant the world to me.

Flaming Lips' best music were when they were a Butthole Surfers rip-off act.

^^^ a true sage and scholar.

They sold out. They aren't who they used to be. They betrayed my love.

Agreed. Both bands used to be great. I just think Butthole Surfers fell from greatness a little faster.

Yeah, I agree. The Lips had Transmission and Clouds Taste Metallic in between their phenomenal and terrible periods, making both of those albums really solid. Butthole Surfers just completely lost it.

I've always considered the Flaming Lips to be a very impressionable band. Like they find something cool and then take it really too far. They learn production with Clouds Taste Metallic and then take it too far on their other albums, they introduce some cool stage shit during their Soft Bulletin tour and then take it too far with their other tours. You can even hear it in the lyrics.

Well, Yoshimi is my favorite lips album and I thought AWWTHM was alright, so I'm pretty pumped for the new one.

I didn't realize I was alone in that until this topic.

I really don't hear much of a Butthole Surfers influence on the Lips, aside from a few songs on Hear it Is. To call them a "Butthole Surfers rip-off" seems absurd.

if it wasn't for the butthole surfers taking them in under their filthy wings (along with Ed Hall), they would have remained a quaint local act.

you can thank beverly hills 90210 for delivering them to the masses, however.

inb4 who the hell is ed hall?

Absurd? They blatantely admit it. Of course they don't sound exactly like them, but they wanted to be them so badly, even down to copying their live antics.

I wasn't aware that they blatantly admitted it. Still, it sounds like they take a lot more from early Pink Floyd, 13th Floor Elevators, early Meat Puppets, and The Beach Boys than they do the Surfers.