Originally Posted by Severian

Yeah. I was super stoked about his studio debut (you remember that? When we were excited about that wank?) but the first sign of trouble was when he wanted to take a shit on Wayne by calling it The Carter 6. I was like, what the fuck? There's no rapper Thug is more indebted to than Wayne at his schizophrenic, scatological peak! Then he calls it "Barter 6" (which means... nothing) and pisses out rainbows on the cover. He got so much attention for that stunt, that nobody noticed how dismally terrible the album was!

Now Pitchfork sucks on his dick so hard it's insufferable. Acting like he's the Salvador Dali of hip-hop. He's just another one of Birdman's bitches, and he's getting no love from me.

Originally Posted by louder

Yeah, Cole is a great performer.. very passionate, and he adds energy to each song which I felt was missing on some of the original record.

Originally Posted by louder

I feel like the Young Thug worshipping is almost ironic. He's a novelty act.

Originally Posted by Severian

Haven't heard the live yet, but I was pleasantly surprised by the original album. At best, Born Sinner was just a bit of ear candy for when I was out of ideas about what to listen to. It was a pleasant but derivative album, and while it made for some good radio hip hop, it really wasn't my thing. He didn't say or do anything that Kanye didn't do better on his first two albums.

But 2014 Forest Hills Drive was an authentic and genuinely GOOD album. Right off the bat, it sounded so much more developed and mature than Born Sinner. So, I really dug the studio version. Not usually super into live rap albums, but I'll check out the new one for sure.

Originally Posted by Severian

Not to them. In one spread they had this big psychedelic graphic of thug with a skull face surrounded by swirls and acid imagery.... Titled the "(something something) World of Young Thug" (or something). It was like the kind of thing you'd see in a Rolling Stone article about 30 years of the Flaming Lips. In fact, that's exactly what I thought of. It was so reverent, with this "this guy's the real deal of musical experimentation" vibe. Again, like something from Fearless Freaks. Or a Zappa piece.

As a Flaming Lips fanatic and Zappa lover, I was insulted.

Originally Posted by louder

*facepalm*

As if we all haven't seen Lil Wayne going through a drugged out phase 10 years ago and experimenting with his sound.. but Wayne sounded coherent and put hard work on his craft. Thugger said he doesn't even write down his lyrics and makes every song in 5 minutes.

Originally Posted by louder

You're absolutely right, but Jay has photographic memory and Kanye is a perfectionist.. Thug sucks when he tries to freestyle on radio shows which makes me assume he might have a writer. But who knows.

Originally Posted by Severian

Dude... Being Young Thug's ghost writer would *literally* be the easiest job in the world. In fact, I don't even buy that anyone would employ someone to write such shit when they could just as easily pay someone to write well.

Now, Drake having a writer I almost buy. Drake's lyrics are like one-liners, and they have a stand-up comic's timing. But I think Drake is just a trained performer, and is capable of pulling off that kind of thing on his own. Acting and singling lessons are definitely things I can see him paying for on a regular basis.

But I don't get it... If young thug has a ghost writer, why is ANYONE above the age of twelve unemployed in this country? You know?