I voted for never, because revolutions don't really change anything. At least not the type generally thought of as revolutions - i.e. violent overthrowing of current governments.

I just watched this awesome movie, The Gladiators (The Peace Game), or in it's native tongue Gladiatorerna by British expatriate director Peter Watkins. This film won the Grand Prix at the Trieste International Science Fiction Film Festival, presumably in 1969 when it was released.

The basic concept of the movie is that the UN has decided that, in order to prevent World War III, it will turn warfare into a televised battle between small groups refereed by a computer. I didn't even realize how old this movie was until I was well into it, and it is surprisingly undated as well as prophetic (there wasn't much reality television besides Candid Camera back in '69, but today this seems spookily believable.) The one thing that most notably does date it is that the computer was represented by the classic IBM typewriter ball, but that still worked pretty well.

Anyway, there's a French soldier/game player who is dead set to be the first into "The Control Room" where he hopes to destroy the system and free everyone from it. He does get there, but then is asked what he will put in place of the system, and the best he can offer? A new system. The generals were much more threatened by two soldiers, a Brit and a Chinese Communist, who fall in love. But they had them beat to death by police.

the only revolution that matters was led by a tiny man with an affinity for tight pants and the color puple.

I want to vote for this.

who needs gladiators when you have this??

Your chance is here.

Interesting question.....lets hope "within our lifetime" ie. lets hope the majority of the fuckheads soon die off and "we" can do what's right.

fuckheads are born, bred and groomed on a daily basis. ever been to an ivy league campus? and how about those college republicans? ayn rand acolytes? fundamentalist christians? islamic fascists? scam artists? government bureaucrats? teacher's pets? angry meatheads? aryan supremacists? (those prussian blue chicks are like 13). generation after generation, shit people are born. hm that sounded almost like i stole it from buffy.

but anyway, the list goes on and on-- don't meant to shoot down your hopes, but... fuckheads reproduce faster than good people.

if you dont' believe me, watch "idiocracy"...

Very true, but I still think that the right inspired politician or politicans could (eventually) make the kind of "greedy/backward" gov't that is being alluded to (I think) in the thread a thing of the past.....it could happen.


I didn't mean fuckheads in general every day life....yes, these people will never die out.

oh, man, forget politics, you need to study biology. if you want to daydream a scenario where tribal instincts are genetically engineered out of our system, that would be one thing-- but you're reasoning like tribal behavior is something we choose rationally when facing certain struggles. sorry, we don't. tribal instincts are hardwired. we're social, we're tribal, we're hyerarchical; we waver between competition and cooperation; that's our nature.

i would *highly* recommend the readings of your compatriots richard dawkins and desmond morris. the books are a bit old (especially morris's), but they still make idiotic "cultural theorists" shit bloodclots of rage. why? because they hit the nail right on the head. from morris, the naked ape is a classic. from dawkins, the selfish gene. they will open your eyes and it will be terrifying but i'll promise you, it will be a revolution in your understanding of our very silly species. and they are FUN books!

who cares

???

i'm revolutionizing, maaaan

beware of peasants with pitchforks, crypto-- they want your stuff





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ps since you're an italian cinema fan-- have you seen allonsanfan??

the mc5

let them eat cake



also, yes, that is a very sad movie

i would like to think it would happen within my lifetime but one asshole gets replaced by another.

The timing is pretty irrelevant. A revolution will obviously happen, it's uncertain wether it will happen without tension or bloodbaths.

There are people who work round the clock for that to happen. They just don't post on messageboards like us. In fact one of them once told me that if the moron who spent a huge portion of his time creating a website where a lot of the propaganda that comes from some of this non-government parties resides would have spent his time doing more constructive political activity, he would have done the world a better favour.

Yay! i knew i'd be able to rely on you for some rational thought.

yeah, the next revolution that will install the islamic republic of britannia.