Revolution
 

the world is a beautiful place but it's ruled by greedy morons, how long before their downfall is instigated?

I reckon they've been operating on borrowed time for far too long as it is.

25-50 years.

how long before the shitness ends?

It doesn't end. It never will. Just enjoy the ride and have another drink.

Oh, its a poll.

I'm feeling pessimistic today. Never.

about a month ago one my friends said to me that when the revolution comes he'll be the first to get there with his pitchfork and burning torch, it made me feel hopeful.

an aside, stop whatever you are listening to and tune into www.rinse.fm right now, n-type is playing bare big tunes, it's A LOT.

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

Within our lifetimes, with "our" meaning it's within my life time, and that of the skeptics so I can mock them.

I dont know if I interpreted this thread properly but...

I dont think revolution itself is really what is needed. With revolution there is always a winning side and a losing side. If there were to be a revolution things would change for a period of time and then the "losers" would just revolt against the new "winners" and that would just lead to a slightly ridiculous cycle (but it would create change)

somethings needed, but not revolution.

the losers couldn't revolt against the winners as they will most likely be executed

the man will NEVER be overthrown, because the man is the one who wins revolutions. once the revolutionary wins, he becomes the man.

and even worse-- some of the greatest revolutionaries have turned out to be the biggest totalitarian & murderous scum: robespierre, mao, pol pot, fidel castro, etc.

and revolutions are a fucking mess-- blood and guts and little intelligence. they are the political equivalent of diarrhea.

after the revolution there will be no new centralised government implemented to replace the current power structure, power will be broken down and there will only be smaller local councils who will have significantly less power to weald and thus abuse and be corrupted by. nation states and social classes will be abandoned, wealth will be evenly distributed.

the concept of the man will be extinguished, defeated by the people.

Hey nothing wrong with a little totalitarianism every now and then.

the world is filled with casually ignorant, brainwashed idiots who swallow and swallow and don't bother to think for themselves. these people are the ones keeping the "greedy morons" in business, and we know they are there, i mean, the daily mail is the second highest selling newspaper in the uk after the sun. revolution will never happen in britain. people are too oblivious, apathetic and brain dead for it to happen.

were you raised by communists?

anyway, i'm all for the idea of revolution, but only out of idealistic principle. i guess i'm just frustrated at how money has become such a dominating factor in who we are, what we do, what we create and how we treat each other. i feel there's no other choice that to join the CPB and be done with it!

ha ha ha ha. good one.

then one council decides to invade the other because they aren't getting enough water, assimilate the old land, and decides to keep growing... and the other councils band on a league and elect a king who then raises an army and... i think we've heard that (hi)story already.

btw on the subject of less power and abuse in small groups... it only takes a handful of people to create a "lord of the flies" scenario. often the abuse of small groups is kept in check by the large group. (thank god for social workers who can put a stop to abusive and unfit parents.)

about social classes-- humans are hierarchical by nature, like many other social animals. people are going to stratify no matter what. all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others-- remember?

unless you're joking... i hope you are.

I don't believe that revolution would benefit society at all, but rather, fixes in the loopholes within the capitalist and economic systems themselves would be ideal. Evidentally the majority of people within are greedy and ignorant, but there are laws that can fix this. We should all encourage the increase of green taxes and taxation for foreign aid. Otherwise, why bother beefing with the greedy and ignorant if you'd want to be amongst them prefering more wealth to yourself? Ah, and poor people that can't afford the taxes? 3rd world countries are much more plentiful with poor than in a 1st world country. It would be more of a help than anything. That or have the taxation increase dependant on income.

obviously i'm daydreaming.

anyway, just because power structures would be dismantled it doesn't mean we would see a return tribal culture. modern technology has vanquished such primitive struggles as the quest for plentiful and clean water, and if safeguards are set in place to prevent one person or group from obtaining too much power, a high level of education is mandatory for all and both genders will be equal, the concept of war will consigned to history.

I voted for never, because revolutions don't really change anything. At least not the type generally thought of as revolutions - i.e. violent overthrowing of current governments.

I just watched this awesome movie, The Gladiators (The Peace Game), or in it's native tongue Gladiatorerna by British expatriate director Peter Watkins. This film won the Grand Prix at the Trieste International Science Fiction Film Festival, presumably in 1969 when it was released.

The basic concept of the movie is that the UN has decided that, in order to prevent World War III, it will turn warfare into a televised battle between small groups refereed by a computer. I didn't even realize how old this movie was until I was well into it, and it is surprisingly undated as well as prophetic (there wasn't much reality television besides Candid Camera back in '69, but today this seems spookily believable.) The one thing that most notably does date it is that the computer was represented by the classic IBM typewriter ball, but that still worked pretty well.

Anyway, there's a French soldier/game player who is dead set to be the first into "The Control Room" where he hopes to destroy the system and free everyone from it. He does get there, but then is asked what he will put in place of the system, and the best he can offer? A new system. The generals were much more threatened by two soldiers, a Brit and a Chinese Communist, who fall in love. But they had them beat to death by police.

the only revolution that matters was led by a tiny man with an affinity for tight pants and the color puple.

I want to vote for this.

who needs gladiators when you have this??

Your chance is here.

Interesting question.....lets hope "within our lifetime" ie. lets hope the majority of the fuckheads soon die off and "we" can do what's right.

fuckheads are born, bred and groomed on a daily basis. ever been to an ivy league campus? and how about those college republicans? ayn rand acolytes? fundamentalist christians? islamic fascists? scam artists? government bureaucrats? teacher's pets? angry meatheads? aryan supremacists? (those prussian blue chicks are like 13). generation after generation, shit people are born. hm that sounded almost like i stole it from buffy.

but anyway, the list goes on and on-- don't meant to shoot down your hopes, but... fuckheads reproduce faster than good people.

if you dont' believe me, watch "idiocracy"...

Very true, but I still think that the right inspired politician or politicans could (eventually) make the kind of "greedy/backward" gov't that is being alluded to (I think) in the thread a thing of the past.....it could happen.


I didn't mean fuckheads in general every day life....yes, these people will never die out.

oh, man, forget politics, you need to study biology. if you want to daydream a scenario where tribal instincts are genetically engineered out of our system, that would be one thing-- but you're reasoning like tribal behavior is something we choose rationally when facing certain struggles. sorry, we don't. tribal instincts are hardwired. we're social, we're tribal, we're hyerarchical; we waver between competition and cooperation; that's our nature.

i would *highly* recommend the readings of your compatriots richard dawkins and desmond morris. the books are a bit old (especially morris's), but they still make idiotic "cultural theorists" shit bloodclots of rage. why? because they hit the nail right on the head. from morris, the naked ape is a classic. from dawkins, the selfish gene. they will open your eyes and it will be terrifying but i'll promise you, it will be a revolution in your understanding of our very silly species. and they are FUN books!

who cares

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i'm revolutionizing, maaaan

beware of peasants with pitchforks, crypto-- they want your stuff





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ps since you're an italian cinema fan-- have you seen allonsanfan??

the mc5

let them eat cake



also, yes, that is a very sad movie

i would like to think it would happen within my lifetime but one asshole gets replaced by another.

The timing is pretty irrelevant. A revolution will obviously happen, it's uncertain wether it will happen without tension or bloodbaths.

There are people who work round the clock for that to happen. They just don't post on messageboards like us. In fact one of them once told me that if the moron who spent a huge portion of his time creating a website where a lot of the propaganda that comes from some of this non-government parties resides would have spent his time doing more constructive political activity, he would have done the world a better favour.

Yay! i knew i'd be able to rely on you for some rational thought.

yeah, the next revolution that will install the islamic republic of britannia.