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sarramkrop 05.12.2007 11:41 AM

The Velvet Underground thread
Before you get the knives out, I've noticed that all information about The Velvet Underground is scattered on a number threads. Anyway, post information , trivia etc on here. Here's a taster of the book by Michael Leigh the band took their name from:




Velvet Underground: Hand-signed ink-jet print on archival Legion Velvet Somerset.
Edition of 2000. Image size: 7 x 9"; frame size: 17 x 13.5"; sheet: 8.5 x 11".
$50 unframed; $125 framed

cryptowonderdruginvogue 05.12.2007 12:09 PM

top notch thread, 'marras

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 12:18 PM



The Velvet Underground (1966 B&W 32 mins)
AKA 'Moe in Bondage/ Diet' where Maureen is tied up in a chair while the band mill about. Shot by Andy 'Zoom' Warhol.

Lou at Disneyland 1967

MellySingsDoom 05.12.2007 02:12 PM

Does anyone know that name of the (I presume) Reed/Cale song that plays in the final 20 mins of "Chelsea Girls"? I thought it was fucking excellent - improvised guitar drone/racket.

nicfit 05.12.2007 02:16 PM

Vu+Nico live on some old tv show
Femme fatale
I'm waiting for my man

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
Does anyone know that name of the (I presume) Reed/Cale song that plays in the final 20 mins of "Chelsea Girls"? I thought it was fucking excellent - improvised guitar drone/racket.

That I know of, It hasn't got a name as such but it is commonly known as the Chelsea Girls soundtrack, excerpts of which can be found on the 'A Walk With The Velvet Underground Vol. 2 "' bootleg box set, amongst others. It is credited to The Velvet Underground as a band, not just Cale and Reed.Check out this site:

MellySingsDoom 05.12.2007 02:38 PM

Thanks, sarramkrop. nicfit - your footage is excellent.

nicfit 05.12.2007 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
Thanks, sarramkrop. nicfit - your footage is excellent.

I got those from the videos page on , I was about to link the site but the VU vids are gone-

jico. 05.12.2007 03:11 PM



On the electronic front, there's the free-wheeling manipulation of dials in control rooms; sub-sonic sounds that you feel, not hear; machine noises; feedback; tape echo; anything!

Velvet Underground
John Cale, Guitar and Feedback

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 03:14 PM

Jico, the link is dead. You can find Loop on the ubu website too. Here it is:

jico. 05.12.2007 03:20 PM

oops. so much work uploading.... %#&. thanks.

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 03:24 PM

For those who don't know what Loop is, it was a noisy piece that Cale composed for the free flexidisc given away with the 60's underground magazine Aspen.

On the electronic front, there's the free-wheeling manipulation of dials in control rooms; sub-sonic sounds that you feel, not hear; machine noises; feedback; tape echo; anything!

Velvet Underground
John Cale, Guitar and Feedback
7 mins. 14 secs.
mp3 | alt mp3 2 MB file, bitrate 40 Kbits/sec
real audio 852 KB file, bitrate 16 Kbits/sec
On the original flexi-disc, the last groove in this record is a "locked groove," repeating ad infinitum; for this web version, we let it loop for about 45 seconds.

jico. 05.12.2007 03:25 PM

"Loop" was the group's first commercially available recording as the Velvet Underground.

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 03:31 PM

Yeah, that's true but i consider it mainly the brainchild of Cale, because he composed it and played it himself. He had a habit of building these monstrous sound machines that would regularly fail to work, so i wouldn't be surprised if it came out of one of those sessions.

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 03:58 PM


MellySingsDoom 05.12.2007 05:32 PM

And so the saraamkrop knowledge bank begins to leak out a little bit ;D

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 05:35 PM

There isn't much that i don't know about The Velvet Underground, you know?

MellySingsDoom 05.12.2007 05:39 PM

...and evidently I can't spell "sarramkrop" correctly either...
Seriously though, for me it's all about the first 2LPs and nothing more. I'm always interested to see/hear/read stuff around that time, but everything else just bores me. A VU line-up involving Doug Yule? Meh.

sarramkrop 05.12.2007 05:51 PM

Meh indeed. Meh.

sarramkrop 05.13.2007 03:23 AM

Reflections In A Lone Star Beer

by Nick Modern, et al

The complete transcript of this interview originally appeared in SLUGGO magazine.
It was reprinted in NYROCKER July/August 1980.

Sterling Morrison (photo: Lee Childers)
SLUGGO: What do you think of this music compared to what you used to play? Or what you're playing now?
STERLING MORRISON: What I play now is different. But this is very close to what we used to play. What I'm doing now is a diddling homage to old rock 'n' roll.
S: Do you think New Wave is new, or is it just a rehashing of old stuff?
SM: I'm afraid to say what I think about New Wave.
S: Don't be. Go ahead. Please.
SM: I'm worried a whole lot about it. People that have known me know that the major bitch in my life has been between rock 'n' roll and folk singers. That's it.
S: Is New Wave rock 'n' roll or is it folk?
SM: I'm afraid it's folk singing and this plains me.
S: What do you mean, it's folk singing?
SM: Well, let's drag Lou Reed into this. (Not to embellish me or diminish him.) Lou and I had some of the shittiest bands that ever were. They were shitty because we were playing authentic rock 'n' roll. If you were playing authentic rock 'n' roll in 1963 that meant you were playing the stuff that people think it's very fashionable to revive now... Old Chuck Berry and Jimmy Reed.
S: Why do you say that New Wave music is folk music?
SM: Maybe I'm trapped by certain beliefs, but in the early '60s, on college campuses, you went one of two days. Either you were a very sensitive young person, who cared about air pollution and civil rights and anti-Vietnam or you were a very unsensitive young person, who didn't care about civil rights because all the blacks he knew were playing in his band or in his audience. I was a very unsensitive young person and played very unsensitive, uncaring music. Which is Wham, Bam, Pow! Let's Rock Out! What I expected my audience to do was tear the house down, beat me up, whatever. Lou and I came from the identical environment of Long Island rock 'n' roll bars, where you can drink anything at 18, everybody had phony proof at 16; I was a night crawler in high school and played some of the sleaziest bars. You can't quite imagine them in Texas - people didn't carry guns, that's the only difference.
In the '60s I had King Hatreds. I was a biker type and hung around with nasty black people and nasty white people and black rock 'n' roll music. On the other hand, you had very sensitive and responsible young people suddenly attuned to certain cosmic questions that beckon us all, and expressing these concerns through acoustic guitars and lilting harmonies and pale melodies. I hate these people.
S: Do you think we should go back to the basics?
SM: Yeah. When I talked with Joe Nick Patoski, he said, what do I think the future of rock 'n' roll music is? And I said, "Whatever's being played in garage band today." And I believe that! It excludes so much. What does a garage band do with ELO? Nothing. ELO doesn't exist. What do they do with Fleetwood Mac? Nothing. the whole joy of rock 'n' roll music was anybody could play it if they wanted to.
But the '60s fouled that whole thing up. Everybody decided to get good and they pursued virtuosity. The thing that ruined music was virtuosity - competence - as an end in itself. It means nothing. It was a very terrible thing.
S: But what were you trying to accomplish with the Velvet Underground? Just play music?
SM: It was self indulgence. We wanted to play a certain kind of music. However far we could carry it, more power to us.
We were fired from our first gig as the Velvet Underground. We played "Black Angel's Death Song" and the owner came up to us on a break and said, "You play that song one more time and you're fired." So we opened with it next set. The best version of it perhaps ever played. We just wanted to do whatever we wanted to do. And some people came up and said, "Hey, would you like to have a record contract?" We said, "Might as well."
S: Who in New Wave makes you "afraid" of it being folk music?
SM: Look at a recent Rolling Stone - it's happening to Elvis Costello: "You're rocking to Elvis Costello, but did you ever sit down, Jack, and listen to the lyrics?" Well, no Jack, I never sit down and listen to lyrics, because rock 'n' roll is not sit-down-and-listen-to-lyrics music! Why is it that the Velvet Underground's celebrated lyric-smiths never published a lyrics sheet? Was that to make you strain to hear the lyrics that you could never hear? No. It's because they were saying, "Fuck you. If you wanna listen to lyrics, then read the New York Times." It has nothing to do with the intellectual apprehension of content.

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