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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

also, can we get back to Syria or mocking the Election?

Hey, don't look at me — I did both with my Gary Johnson post.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Soup Nazi again.

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Originally Posted by ilduclo

trump tweetstorm, holy fuck

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...re-than-petty/

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Reflecting upon Trump's actions, Matt Borges, the Republican Party chairman in battleground Ohio, said, "Can this thing just end — please?"

Why isn't the newsweek Cuba/trump story a bigger deal? Weird.

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Originally Posted by evollove

Why isn't the newsweek Cuba/trump story a bigger deal? Weird.

It's not weird at all. There's a million kawazillion facts about Trump, all on the public record, which would destroy any other candidacy. But shit only gets "big" when it jumps from the real investigative journalism to, well, TV, and both over-the-air and cable/satellite news channels have proven to be fundamentally incapable of dealing with this motherfucker. That's why the Machado "feud" gets attention (for now, anyway) while actual Drumpf crimes that would land him in Rikers Island barely exist to the general mookdom.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Its not a fashion magazine, its about human life being utterly disregarded for the sake of power grab.

wtf?!

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Assad started in mid-2000s with the potential as a reformer, he himself is well education and respected even if his family and regime have an atrocious history. However since 2011 he has revealed that he is entirely inept and weak and controlled by the regime OR he is actively a shameful, murdering war criminal.

one thing that distinguishes Syria from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, and various other regimes (U.S.-aligned) throughout the region is religious freedom. In Syria, Sunnis, Christians, Alawites, Druze, Jews, and other religious groups are permitted to practice their religious faith freely. the government is secular, and respects the rights of the Sunni Muslim majority as well as religious minorities!

Syria’s political system is certainly in need of reform and modernization, and representatives of the Syrian government such as U.N. Ambassador Bashar Al-Jaafari readily admit this. however, the war which has raged across Syria for the last five years, is NOT about reform, democratization or modernization.

in terms of international law, the United States has invaded Syria, a sovereign country and United Nations member state. This is the not the first time, though Arizona Sen. John Mccain crossed into Syria without a visa to meet with anti-government fighters in 2013.

as U.S. media bemoans the humanitarian crisis, somehow blaming on the Syrian government and its president, and the U.S. directly sends its military forces into the country, the people of the world should ask western leaders and their allies: why are you prolonging this war? why can’t you just leave Syria alone? isn’t five years of war enough? is overthrowing the Syrian government really worth so much suffering and death?

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

THIS IS REAL LIFE NOT SOME POLITICAL VIDEO GAME AND REAL PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING AND DYING EVERY SINGLE DAY

wtf?!

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

governments don't have half the population fleeing in exile, voting with their feet. Legitimate governments don't have to rely solely on military force and violence to govern. Legitimate governments don't kill tens of thousands of civilians.

millions of them became refugees, because of military rebel groups so called opposition forces caused havoc and destruction in whole country. men dragged on streets and brutally slaughtered? women, children? cities destroyed, ancient heritage places blown up by controled demolitions to bits? no, Assad did it, he would kill all of his own people and destroy all of his country into bits so he can have a power grab.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

did Putin send you or is it Assad?

wtf!?

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

but what does that have to do with Assad regime and their bullshit war against civilians?

it is not a civil war anymore! it is a proper war by now!

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

, so I am the one who is brainwashed meanwhile you are waving the flag of an evil regime that is killing thousands of its own civilians.

History will demonstrate that it is YOU and your bullshit fanboy attitude about Putin and Assad that are in the wrong here. I don't have to argue anything, reality speaks well enough for itself.

oh here we go again. evil regime that is killing thousands of its own civilians. sounds like cnn (hope on tonight news they will at least match right video to right area or era) and spinning same narrative for millionth time. blame, blame, blame. got used to it by now.

and I am not antiwestern!

and how DARE YOU call me Putin's and Assad's fanboy, how DARE YOU!

Dear Spray-Tan McFuckFace:

You’ve done this several times, but we think that right now, 40 days out from the election, it’s time to YOU’RE FIRED! all your staff again. We have no idea who you should replace Ms. Conway and the “alt-right” racist dude from Breitbart with. You’re such a brilliant businessman, you should be able to pick good people this time, not that any of your previous choices have been S-M-R-T. Maybe you could just get Omarosa to round up a bunch of your fellow reality TV idiots, and make them your staff! Campaign CEO Omarosa, campaign manager Honey Boo Boo’s Mom, press secretary Duck Dynasty Dude … the possibilities are ENDLESS!

You’re still going to fucking lose the election, of course, but at least your new idiot staff will be more entertaining than your current idiot staff.

Just a suggestion.

Love,

Wonket

Read more at http://wonkette.com/607076/super-sma...SX04Lv2xa0K.99

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Originally Posted by greenlight

wtf?!

one thing that distinguishes Syria from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, and various other regimes (U.S.-aligned) throughout the region is religious freedom.

youre speaking about a semi recent past, in today's war there are no freedoms.

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Syria’s political system is certainly in need of reform and modernization, and representatives of the Syrian government such as U.N. Ambassador Bashar Al-Jaafari readily admit this. however, the war which has raged across Syria for the last five years, is NOT about reform, democratization or modernization.

its a government crack down simple as that but it seems you have bought too much into the government narrative. what a shame that you feel so comfortable supporting such inhumane violence.

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in terms of international law, the United States has invaded Syria, a sovereign country and United Nations member state. This is the not the first time, though Arizona Sen. John Mccain crossed into Syria without a visa to meet with anti-government fighters in 2013.

agreed but THAT doesn't somehow exonerate the Assad regime for its violence and killing of civilians.

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as U.S. media bemoans the humanitarian crisis, somehow blaming on the Syrian government and its president,

THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT DOING MOST OF THE KILLING

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and the U.S. directly sends its military forces into the country, the people of the world should ask western leaders and their allies: why are you prolonging this war? why can’t you just leave Syria alone? isn’t five years of war enough? is overthrowing the Syrian government really worth so much suffering and death?

While i agree the current tactic of foreign intervention in arming rebel militias is counter productive, ineffective, and blatantly criminal i still can't for the life of me understand HOW ANY OF THAT JUSTIFIES ASSAD DESTROYING HIS OWN COUNTRY

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oh yeah its only the rebels, its not like Assad and Russia aren't launching bombing raids and shelling of civilians daily or anything.

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THAT IS BECAUSE ITS NOT MERELY SPIN, ITS THE FUCKING TRUTH STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE

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and how DARE YOU call me Putin's and Assad's fanboy, how DARE YOU!

good, now you are as upset as i was, maybe you can emphasize with why i am so against what Assad and Putin are doing there.

no, America isn't doing any better but they certainly aren't committing violence to the scale or degree that the Assad regime is against Syrian civilians.

look to be clear..

the jihadis are pure evil. the Americans are breaking not just ethical norms but international law. BUT none of that explains, justifies, or exonerates what the Syrian government has been doing to its own peoples. its not a media conspiracy. its the facts on the ground.

Suchfriends is one case where the argument is more important than the solution. As if the banter is what keep Syrians alive.

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Originally Posted by PLips

Suchfriends is one case where the argument is more important than the solution. As if the banter is what keep Syrians alive.

and what solution have you proposed exactly?

Manichaism. As philosophy not religion.

Edit: I'm going to stop having an opinion on everything. I made my point yet keep embarrassing myself on here.

I don't really care about the election or Syria.

Carry on sorry.

white Hillary Clinton voting bitch: "America is so racist now. mi god. the unruly untrustworthy nature of white cops these days. are they out to exterminate the black race?"

same white bitch locks door at night because of black neighbors and gets nervous when seeing a black man shopping for grocery's on HER white aisle.

white bitch lives over the mason Dixie line in a cottage and is terrified of blacks. probably lets her kid play with 'black kid' because it's not yet corrupted by 'black crimes'. she'll let this one slide.

racist abounds. it's everywhere. even in Iceland.

there's white people out there like this.

It's nearly 3 am. I have this uncontrollable strange urge to tell the world I straight up loathe Donny trump. There's just something about this hour.

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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

Yes, Black lives matter! Yet, can't you take up the case of the 6-year-old white autistic child who was killed by a Louisiana parish sheriff's deputy? It would broaden the relevance of your movement beyond your own community, thus rendering your movement less self-isolating.

yet how is it that the AllLivesMatter crowd havent done that? how is it that those folks who always attack BlackLivesMatter with "..but whites are killed by police more.."

see BlackLivesMatter supporters DO care about ALL police brutality, but that isn't their job. they organized around advocating against brutality against black people. no one tells the American Cancer Society "hey cancer sucks but you know you're message would be more effective if you included heart disease."

what happened in Louisiana is such a tragedy the entire nation should be outraged. it shouldn't require BlackLivesMatter to get involved.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Well fucking said!

according to a reddit poster, some south african burger chained just launched these selections

https://i.reddituploads.com/25374d27...1536&w= 1536&

god damn fucking reddit-- just look for "trump burger"

another try:

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinter...hain_in_south/

Can Republicans be rational, not tribal?
By Fareed Zakaria

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Donald Trump is a strange standard-bearer for Republicans. He espouses few of the party’s traditional positions and disavows most of its icons. Almost every important conservative publication — National Review, the Weekly Standard, Commentary — opposes him, as do most leading conservative pundits, from George Will to David Brooks to Bret Stephens. Of the five previous Republican nominees for president, three will not publicly affirm that they would vote for Trump and I would bet that a fourth (John McCain) will not in the privacy of the voting booth. And yet, amazingly, in polls, Trump has received around the same level of support from Republicans as previous GOP nominees — so far. The election might well hinge on one simple issue — whether Republicans prove to be rational or tribal.

The last time so many Republican leaders defected was in 1964, and Barry Goldwater was wiped out in a landslide. But polarization is so intense in the United States today that a cardboard cutout with an “R” on it would get about 43 percent of the vote, and one with a “D” would get about the same.

For months now, many conservative intellectuals have hoped that the campaign would reveal that Trump was neither Republican nor qualified. It has, on several occasions, most recently at Monday’s debate. Public opinion polls showed that Hillary Clinton won by a huge margin. But when Republican and Republican-leaning likely voters were asked in an NBC News poll whether the debate had improved their opinion of Clinton, only 4 percent said yes. When the same group was asked whether it had worsened their impression of Trump, just 6 percent agreed. (Those numbers were 50 percent and 46 percent, respectively, among Democrats and Democratic-leaners.) Watching the same lopsided debate, people on both sides simply reaffirmed their pre-debate perspectives on the candidates.

These dynamics have reminded me of Jonathan Haidt’s seminal book, “The Righteous Mind.” Haidt, a social psychologist, used exhaustive evidence to explain that our political preferences are not the product of careful analytic reasoning. Instead, they spring from a combination of moral intuition (instinct) and a tribal affiliation with people who we believe share these instincts. We use reason, facts and analysis to affirm our gut decisions.

If you think this is true of other people and not you, consider the example of Peter Thiel, a billionaire technology entrepreneur and investor who co-founded PayPal and funded Facebook. He is an extremely intelligent and well-read person, with mostly libertarian views. He strongly supports Trump, for a truly bizarre reason. He asserts that Trump’s most significant statement during this campaign, revealing his worldview, was “to declare that government health care can work.” He quoted Trump praising the Scottish and Canadian systems — one a nationalized system, the other a single-payer network — as proof of his remarkable willingness to think heretically and challenge Republican dogmas about government.

Now, another interpretation of Trump’s remark would be that it was a stray comment, thrown off the top of his head, signifying almost nothing. Remember that Trump took five different positions on abortion in three days. NBC News calculates that he has changed his position 124 times on 20 major issues since the campaign began. In Monday’s debate, he took two contradictory positions on the “no first use” policy of nuclear weapons in 30 seconds. And most important, after that offhand reference, Trump backed down from his support for government health care, instead only reciting Republican orthodoxy about the evils of Obamacare.

So an intelligent libertarian has chosen to support a man whose main — and utterly consistent — public policy positions are anti-free trade and anti-immigration and who has promised to appoint socially conservative judges to the Supreme Court because he is convinced that Trump is actually a closet admirer of Britain’s nationalized health-care system. I cannot think of a better example of Haidt’s thesis that we come to a decision first and reason our way to it afterward.

Paul Ryan has managed similar acrobatics. Ryan is opposed to all of Trump’s major policy proposals — the wall, mass deportations, ending birthright citizenship, unilateral tariffs against China, renegotiating NAFTA, total opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership, rapprochement with Vladimir Putin — and has even publicly condemned many of them. And yet, the speaker of the House says that Trump is his man.

The signs to look for in the next few weeks are whether Trump is losing any support among Republicans. That would indicate that politics is about more than tribal loyalty to a team. It would be heartening on many levels. After all, democracy depends on the ability to look at evidence and argument, to use reason and judgment, and to take seriously our roles as citizens of a great republic.