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!@#$%! 04.15.2020 10:09 AM

George Conway: Trump will never be able to accept that the presidency doesn’t belong to him

A photographer wearing a face mask is in the foreground as President Trump speaks during Monday's White House press briefing on the coronavirus. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

Among Donald Trump’s many flaws as president is one that’s as fundamental as any: He simply doesn’t understand his job. When he ran a private company, one he owned, Trump could command all its constituent parts to do his bidding and make the rules himself. You’d think by his fourth year in the White House, he would have learned that the presidency doesn’t work that way. But obviously he hasn’t.

Trump made this clear during his briefing Monday, with an extraordinary series of statements about presidential power — well, perhaps extraordinary for anyone but him. Referring to restrictions that states have imposed to fight covid-19, Trump claimed: “The authority of the president of the United States having to do with the subject we’re talking about, the authority is total, and that’s the way it’s got to be. … It’s total. The governors know that.”

In other words, he claims the power to force the entire country to back to work, regardless of what state or local officials say. “They can’t do anything without the approval of the president of the United States,” Trump asserted. “I have the ultimate authority,” he said.

“Who told you that?” a reporter asked; Trump wouldn’t say. And no doubt, couldn’t: No competent presidential adviser would tell him that. Certainly no lawyer.

It’s no excuse for Trump that he’s not a lawyer, and that, as conservative commentator Andrew C. McCarthy put it, Trump “frequently gets out over his skis when he discusses constitutional law” — that, indeed, he “mangles” it. Trump took a solemn oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. After his years in the job, he ought to know something about that document.

Particularly as a supposed “conservative,” Trump ought to know something about the relationship between the federal government and the states. For decades, if not centuries, conservatives — not just the conservative lawyers Trump seeks to put on the bench, but non-lawyers — have harped on the importance of the 10th Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” In our federal system, the states aren’t under Washington’s control, the way a corporate subsidiary might be owned by, say, the Trump Organization.

But it’s not just federalism that Trump misapprehends. It’s grade-school-level civics that the president carries out laws, not his whims or desires, however laudatory or popular they might be. The very Article II that he has claimed gives him “the right to do whatever I want as president,” actually says something quite different: not only that “he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” but also that, if he needs authority to do something for the good of the country, he should go to Congress, “and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” Faithfully executing the law means not only enforcing it but also abiding by it — including its limitations.

And there’s no exception for emergencies. Law students studying the Constitution — and plenty of middle and high school students of U.S. government and history as well — learn about the Supreme Court’s famous “Steel seizure case,” Youngstown Sheet and Tube Co. v. Sawyer. In April 1952, the nation was at war, in Korea, and the nation’s steelworkers went on strike. Having tried unsuccessfully to mediate between the workers and the steel companies, President Harry S. Truman issued an executive order directing the commerce secretary to take immediate control of most of the nation’s steel mills. The steel companies challenged the order, and within a month, the case was in the Supreme Court.

Truman lost, even though the country was at war, even though steel procurement was essential to the prosecution of the war, and even though the Constitution made him, as president, commander in chief of the armed forces. The Supreme Court’s majority opinion was written by Justice Hugo L. Black, then the court’s leading textually oriented conservative.

Black wrote: “The President’s power, if any, to issue the order must stem either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution.” There was no enabling act of Congress — the government didn’t even cite one, and, in fact, Congress had once rejected a proposal that would have allowed emergency government seizures to settle labor disputes. And as for the Constitution, the court found that nothing in Article II, the article on the presidency, provided for the seizure. “In the framework of our Constitution, the President’s power to see that the laws are faithfully executed refutes the idea that he is to be a lawmaker,” Black explained. "The president’s order does not direct that a congressional policy be executed in a manner prescribed by Congress — it directs that a presidential policy be executed in a manner prescribed by the President.” For that reason, the court concluded, “this seizure order cannot stand.”

Trump would do well to learn these basic tenets of American constitutional law, if only because it’s his job to follow them, and because doing so would make him a more effective president. But Trump still thinks that he, alone, has ultimate authority to call all the shots — much as he did on the 25th floor of Trump Tower. And it’ll never be otherwise. Because the one thing Trump will never be able to accept about the exalted office he holds is that, unlike his company, it doesn’t belong to him.

Skuj 04.15.2020 11:59 AM

There sure is a lot of revisionist history in this thread, and coming from Team Trump. Luckily, we have his own tweets and his own words on film that we can look back on whenever we are told the complete lies regarding his covid response/preparations that we are now hearing. I might link some of that here, but what would the point be, really? I won't convince the Trumpists.

I don't know if the WHO has made big mistakes or not, but I won't listen to a single word that Team Trump says about it. Blaming others, including the WHO, Obama, the Fake News, China, etc etc is what Trump does best. Trump has been POTUS for 38 months, right? At what point does blaming Obama cease to work, even for Trumpists?

Bytor Peltor 04.15.2020 02:49 PM

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I don't know if the WHO has made big mistakes or not



Candace Owen tweet

The fact that vaccine-criminal Bill Gates and the Left are going absolutely insane about the defunding of @WHO, is about all the proof we need to know that @realDonaldTrump did the right thing.

Now defund the United Nations.



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Bill Gates Agenda In India Exposed By Robert Kennedy Jr

h8kurdt 04.15.2020 02:57 PM

If the left disagree with him then he must be right. Nice brain he's got there.

Bytor Peltor 04.15.2020 03:49 PM

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If the left disagree with him then he must be right.


Speaking of, isn’t it odd how “they” are no longer angry at racist President Trump for NOT ALLOWING the caravans into America......as if they ever cared!!!


 

Skuj 04.15.2020 03:53 PM

I stopped reading after "vaccine criminal"......

Skuj 04.15.2020 03:54 PM

Fuck it. Bytor on ignore again.

I tried. But....I....I just can't stand it.

Bytor Peltor 04.15.2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
I stopped reading after "vaccine criminal"......


And totally ignored:
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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor


Sticking your head back in the sand is probably where it best belongs!

choc e-Claire 04.15.2020 04:56 PM

Apparently Trump is delaying the stimulus cheques so he can make the IRS print his name on them. Because jesus christ, what's decades of societal precedent when you're the king?

!@#$%! 04.15.2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
Fuck it. Bytor on ignore again.

I tried. But....I....I just can't stand it.

lmfao

slept with dogs, woke up with fleas? :D

!@#$%! 04.15.2020 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by choc e-Claire
Apparently Trump is delaying the stimulus cheques so he can make the IRS print his name on them. Because jesus christ, what's decades of societal precedent when you're the king?

it’s not apparent, it’s happening

once the mobile deposit clears you can wipe your ass with it though

Skuj 04.15.2020 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
lmfao

slept with dogs, woke up with fleas? :D


I felt dirty after seeing (parts of) those posts. I took a shower. Now Bill Gates is one of the demons. Where does it ever end with these idiots?

!@#$%! 04.15.2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
I felt dirty after seeing (parts of) those posts. I took a shower. Now Bill Gates is one of the demons. Where does it ever end with these idiots?

end? never

their imbecility knows no bounds

!@#$%! 04.15.2020 07:34 PM

drunk as a skunk

!@#$%! 04.15.2020 09:25 PM

 

guest 04.15.2020 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
And totally ignored:


Sticking your head back in the sand is probably where it best belongs!

bytor I know there's no point saying this but everything on that website is conspiracy theorist jargon? like just look with a slightly critical lens at the stuff you're putting forward as fact because this is beyond absurd.

I don't understand why you're looking to shift blame when the fact of the matter is that tens of thousands of people have died (and will continue to die) because of basic mismanagement/ignorance and a reliance on these exact bullshit theories you're peddling to deflect culpability and ignore the reality that's being wrought upon your country.

vaccines are at this point entirely irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that there is wide-scale death that could've been easily avoided had 'mr trump' been actually willing to confront reality in a meaningful (or indeed any) way, which he has resolutely failed to do.

Skuj 04.15.2020 11:36 PM

I find it amazing that we have Trump's tweets and speeches throughout Feb/Mar, which clearly shows how he minimized/dismissed everything important related to Covid, and yet the Trumpists will somehow overlook this. But the evidence is there, and it cannot be erased with lies and conspiracy theories. And I hope, come election time, the Dems will play those films and show those tweets, with the associated dates. Because maybe 10% of the Trumpists will see what has happened? 3%? Ok...ok....I'm fucking dreaming.

Bytor Peltor 04.16.2020 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by guest
bytor I know there's no point saying this but everything on that website is conspiracy theorist jargon? like just look with a slightly critical lens at the stuff you're putting forward as fact because this is beyond absurd.

I don't understand why you're looking to shift blame when the fact of the matter is that tens of thousands of people have died (and will continue to die) because of basic mismanagement/ignorance and a reliance on these exact bullshit theories you're peddling to deflect culpability and ignore the reality that's being wrought upon your country.

vaccines are at this point entirely irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that there is wide-scale death that could've been easily avoided had 'mr trump' been actually willing to confront reality in a meaningful (or indeed any) way, which he has resolutely failed to do.


First post at SYG in a month, other than Democratic Primaries, first post in Non-Sonics since February. Quoting this before you have opportunity to delete it......the TRUTH is coming!

!@#$%! 04.16.2020 12:54 AM

malignant idiot lying for a malignant narcissist

Bytor Peltor 04.16.2020 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
malignant idiot lying for a malignant narcissist


Speaking of......

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
drunk as a skunk



And you told everyone you had me on ignore

You Can’t Quit Me, !@#$%!


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