If it's not just politics then what is it?
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He was still smart enough to remain a player in the highly competitive world of real estate for a few decades and come out of it a multi-billionaire. Then he faced down hostility within his own party, the full force of the Dems and widespread media ridicule to become President. No one's ever gonna claim he's the cleverest man ever to enter politics but I certainly wish I was as stupid as that.
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he inherited his little empire, and then learned some dirty tricks in the 70s and 80s from roy cohn. he went bust repeatedly, even after his dad bailed him out—repeatedly. he survived only because his creditors thought he was worth more as a name and brand than by partitioning his assets. so his business really is self-promotion, and makes money off his image through licensing deals. Quote:
we don’t know what he has/doesn’t have, what he owes/what he owns, as he hides his tax returns. but someone made the calculation that if he had just put his inheritance in the stock market he would have made more that what he claims to have. or should i say it in his style: “many people are saying he doesn’t have what he claims to have...” Quote:
he’s a shameless charlatan who conned millions that’s what you admire? eta: “business” https://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/...16-486091.html |
There's a difference between admiring the business world and acknowledging that people who succeed within it aren't fools.
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To achieve what he has obviously requires more than inherting wealth, but from everything I've understood about his business history it would be difficult to say he had succeeded in it. Did you see the three part documentary series Channel 4 made about him?
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business overall does make our world better, but it is fuckers like him that give business a bad name. i remember you in another thread complaining of your former employer being stiffed by “corporate practices” (which i said are bad business, but not inherently “corporate”). this motherfucker you’re making excuses for has fucked over more small contractors and workers and creditors than one can shake a stick at. i don’t know why you’re looking at the mote in every democrat’s eye while ignoring the beam in this fucker’s, but that’s exactly what you’re doing, and i can’t figure out why. |
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I've not seen that documentary but I know there's plenty of ?? around his business dealings and the actual level and nature of his success. But all I've been saying from the beginning is he's no fool. That's it. I wasn't saying the guy's some kind of genius and wasn't even thinking about his character. |
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Bottom line, if I had to choose between having Trump in the White House or AOC (which I know is an impossibility on all kinds of levels, but in principle) I'd go for Trump, simply because I believe AOC has the potential to cause even more damage. You can disagree, but either way, I don't see how that can be read as me defending or making excuses for Trump. It only shows how poorly I rate AOC. |
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if trump’s election has proved anything is that any asshole can be president so how do you rate him vs warren bernie kamala biden booty judge? i mean in terms of personal preference not chance of winning |
Bernie's the only one I'd take over Trump
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She seems flakey as fuck
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warren, a distinguished senator with a good record, architect of the CFPB... ... ... “seems” flakey as fuck... ... ...UNACCEPTABLE! seems legit... |
oh hey there’s that fake christian lmao
just take premiums off their payroll like social security does eta: current cost to taxpayer is about $34 per person a year. less than a bag of potato chips each month. charging premiums instead would beef up the system |
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I take it back. I watched him in the debate again and I don't think I could vote for him either. So from what I see I don't think there's any Dem candidate I could vote for at the moment. |
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warren is a better senator with a better record, but i don’t like her rhetoric. still, i’d take anyone on that stage over the current beast in charge his election proves that our institutions can more or less endure a malignant narcissist. but enough with the stress tests time for him to go. nobody can be worse. even the kooky hippy lady would be an improvement. |
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