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louder 01.01.2018 01:03 AM

louder's hip-hop café VII
 
Keeping the tradition.

Earl said he has music coming this year! :D
https://pitchfork.com/news/earl-swea...oming-in-2018/

And Obama posted his mediocre list of favorite songs of 2017.
Quote:

Mi Gente by J Balvin & Willy William
Havana by Camila Cabello (feat. Young Thug)
Blessed by Daniel Caesar
The Joke by Brandi Carlile
First World Problems by Chance The Rapper (feat. Daniel Caesar)
Rise Up by Andra Day
Wild Thoughts by DJ Khaled (feat. Rihanna and Bryson Tiller)
Family Feud by Jay-Z (feat. Beyoncé)
Humble by Kendrick Lamar
La Dame et Ses Valises by Les Amazones d’Afrique (feat. Nneka)
Unforgettable by French Montana (feat. Swae Lee)
The System Only Dreams in Total Darkness by The National
Chanel by Frank Ocean
Feel It Still by Portugal. The Man
Butterfly Effect by Travis Scott
Matter of Time by Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings
Little Bit by Mavis Staples
Millionaire by Chris Stapleton
Sign of the Times by Harry Styles
Broken Clocks by SZA
Ordinary Love (Extraordinary Mix) by U2
*Bonus: Born in the U.S.A. by Bruce Springsteen (not out yet, but the blues version in his Broadway show is the best!)

Severian 01.01.2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
Keeping the tradition.

Earl said he has music coming this year! :D
https://pitchfork.com/news/earl-swea...oming-in-2018/

And Obama posted his mediocre list of favorite songs of 2017.


I was surprised there was no Kendrick on that list.

But he’s goddamn CORRECT to include “Chanel.” That song is goddamn amazing. So is “Biking.” So is “Slide.” So is “Lens.” So is every little nugget Frank Ocean drops.

Severian 01.01.2018 09:30 AM

Oh wait, this is a new one?

I kinda thought you were done with these.

louder 01.01.2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I was surprised there was no Kendrick on that list.

But he’s goddamn CORRECT to include “Chanel.” That song is goddamn amazing. So is “Biking.” So is “Slide.” So is “Lens.” So is every little nugget Frank Ocean drops.

Biking is my favorite out of these! And he actually listed Humble.

louder 01.01.2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Oh wait, this is a new one?

I kinda thought you were done with these.

This might be the last one.

Unless NR comes back or something.

Severian 01.01.2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
This might be the last one.

Unless NR comes back or something.


Dude, far as I know NR listened to neither DAMN. nor 4:44, not to mention Big Fish Theory or 4eva is a Mighty Long Time.

I think he ”checked out” a couple of DAMN. tracks and thought it was “Ok.” So obviously he just plain doesn’t like Kendrick.

He spent 2017 listening to Weezer and Bush...

 

louder 01.02.2018 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Dude, far as I know NR listened to neither DAMN. nor 4:44, not to mention Big Fish Theory or 4eva is a Mighty Long Time.

I think he ”checked out” a couple of DAMN. tracks and thought it was “Ok.” So obviously he just plain doesn’t like Kendrick.

He spent 2017 listening to Weezer and Bush...

 

Although he did love Kendrick at one point.. I'm sure he would've loved 4:44 and DAMN if he was still invested in hip-hop. BROCKHAMPTON would've been right up his alley too, I think.. since they have a bit of that old rap group feeling.

Severian 01.02.2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
Although he did love Kendrick at one point.. I'm sure he would've loved 4:44 and DAMN if he was still invested in hip-hop. BROCKHAMPTON would've been right up his alley too, I think.. since they have a bit of that old rap group feeling.


I think he likes good kid and Section.80, but he hasn’t been moved by TPAB, untitled I mastered. or DAMN., so a I really think it’s kind of a wash. And honestly if you don’t like TPAB or DAMN., then... kinda don’t like Kendrick.

Kinda like those crazy folks (not that NR’s crazy, he’s just been doing his own thing f, which is fine) who “like” Kanye but don’t like anything after Graduation. It’s like... that’s not liking a majority of what has made Kanye Kanye. Those people baffle me.

Like fucking Joe Budden. God I hate that guy.

“Oh hey I like Bob Dylan, but only up until Highway 61” or “yeah I love the Beatles, as long as it’s he REAL Beatles and not that Rubber Soul/Revolver/Sgt. Pepper/White Album/Abbey Road nonsense!”

Whatever.

This has been such a shit year.

Severian 01.02.2018 11:34 AM

Vince Staples and big KRIT did well this year. I think Vince is going to be more of a low-key phenom than the Kendricks of the world, but I still think he’s going to be one of the greats from this era.

I paid no attention to the Freddie Gibbs album from this year. :( Struggling with the rape thing I guess, even though I know he beat the charges.

Brockhampton I still haven’t really acclimated to. They’re fun but I can only listen to a couple of tracks before wanting more... variety.

louder 01.02.2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I think he likes good kid and Section.80, but he hasn’t been moved by TPAB, untitled I mastered. or DAMN., so a I really think it’s kind of a wash. And honestly if you don’t like TPAB or DAMN., then... kinda don’t like Kendrick.

Kinda like those crazy folks (not that NR’s crazy, he’s just been doing his own thing f, which is fine) who “like” Kanye but don’t like anything after Graduation. It’s like... that’s not liking a majority of what has made Kanye Kanye. Those people baffle me.

Like fucking Joe Budden. God I hate that guy.

“Oh hey I like Bob Dylan, but only up until Highway 61” or “yeah I love the Beatles, as long as it’s he REAL Beatles and not that Rubber Soul/Revolver/Sgt. Pepper/White Album/Abbey Road nonsense!”

Whatever.

This has been such a shit year.

That's the same guy who called Frank's Nostalgia/Ultra mixtape from 2011 his best release. I think he's just bitter because he was a one hit wonder who resorted to releasing a series of boring emo rap mixtapes, ultimately failed his rap career and became a TV broadcaster. Up until last year he was mainly known for being the guy who beefed with Method Man, Lil B and Drake. Drake's a bitch, but what kind of sick person interrupts Meth? Such a down to earth, chill guy, who always minds his business.

Severian 01.02.2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
That's the same guy who called Frank's Nostalgia/Ultra mixtape from 2011 his best release. I think he's just bitter because he was a one hit wonder who resorted to releasing a series of boring emo rap mixtapes, ultimately failed his rap career and became a TV broadcaster. Up until last year he was mainly known for being the guy who beefed with Method Man, Lil B and Drake. Drake's a bitch, but what kind of sick person interrupts Meth? Such a down to earth, chill guy, who always minds his business.


Joe Budden?

Man I just saw him on that Eminem “cypher” a couple of years ago and was like, who’s this boring shithead? Then I saw his mixtapes pop up, and then he was on Everyday Struggle saying stupid shit about how dumb young people are.

He himself is only, like, my age, and to hear him talk, doesn’t know that much about hip-hop. He once said that Graduation was too long because it “had like 30 tracks” and he’d just say nonsense like that and yell about it with that fat-faced “young” dude and the dumbass girl who professionally *say between two dumb assholes.*

Whatever. I like that he hates Drake, but I’d rather see more BIG names come out against Drake. Like Kendrick did in that Rolling Stone interview, just throwing shaaaaade like a pimp. Haha.

evollove 01.02.2018 07:14 PM

What did Kendrick say? I don't follow these things.

Severian 01.02.2018 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
What did Kendrick say? I don't follow these things.


Just some snarky shit. Like...

“What’s your favorite Drake song?”

*laughs* “Ah man. That’s funny. What’s my favorite — *laughs* shit, all of them! You know?” *laughs*

Etc.

I’m paraphrasing here. He also commented on how shitty pop music differs from real earworms, and about ghost writers, and just kind of snickered and giggled his way through the whole thing. It was cool.

Severian 01.03.2018 07:51 PM

Hey Louder,
Did you know that “Yeezus” is available on vinyl (AND CASSETTE?!?!) for a limited time at Urban Outfitters? It was part of some holiday deal or some shit. Not *truly* official, as in the packaging was not designed by Kanye, but official enough to not be a bootleg. I’m thinking of checking out my nearest bullshit Outfitters to see if they still have any.

evollove 01.04.2018 12:15 PM

Donald Trump to attend Kendrick Lamar gig at College Football Playoff

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-a3731956.html

Rob Instigator 01.04.2018 01:54 PM

For a 50+yr old married man Pres Obama's list is quite fucking LIT

Severian 01.04.2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Donald Trump to attend Kendrick Lamar gig at College Football Playoff

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-a3731956.html


I saw that. What a weird event for a big rapper to play. Not sure if this is news or not. Big whoop, they’re going to be in the same place at the same time. They will not speak, and Trump will say Kendrick’s overrated.

louder 01.05.2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Hey Louder,
Did you know that “Yeezus” is available on vinyl (AND CASSETTE?!?!) for a limited time at Urban Outfitters? It was part of some holiday deal or some shit. Not *truly* official, as in the packaging was not designed by Kanye, but official enough to not be a bootleg. I’m thinking of checking out my nearest bullshit Outfitters to see if they still have any.

Ohh that's cool man. Though the packaging not being a Kanye design is a bit of a bummer.

louder 01.05.2018 07:03 AM

Really liking this new Justin Timberlake single. His album is gonna be interesting..

Severian 01.05.2018 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
Really liking this new Justin Timberlake single. His album is gonna be interesting..


Lol. “Man of the Woods.” Methinks all the blood ran from his head to his Bon Iver boner.

louder 01.05.2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Lol. “Man of the Woods.” Methinks all the blood ran from his head to his Bon Iver boner.

He is a huge fan apparently.

 



But the single is nothing like Justin Vernon's music.

Severian 01.05.2018 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
He is a huge fan apparently.

 



But the single is nothing like Justin Vernon's music.


I actually really liked some songs from thah last Bon Iver album. The one that sounded like Kanye in parts.

Kanye Kanye Kanye

Bummed that “Everybody Wins” isn’t actually a thing.

louder 01.07.2018 04:11 PM

Sev!! Kendrick and Top Dawg Ent are gonna release a soundtrack accompanied to the Black Panther movie. The first single is already out and it's SZA featuring Kendrick. As I assume there will be at least 6-7 Kendrick solo songs, I'm pretty excited about the damn thing.

https://pitchfork.com/news/kendrick-...ndtrack-album/

Severian 01.07.2018 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
Sev!! Kendrick and Top Dawg Ent are gonna release a soundtrack accompanied to the Black Panther movie. The first single is already out and it's SZA featuring Kendrick. As I assume there will be at least 6-7 Kendrick solo songs, I'm pretty excited about the damn thing.

https://pitchfork.com/news/kendrick-...ndtrack-album/


Yeah man, I know...

You forget I’m almost as big a comic book nerd as I am a music nerd? I learned this from like twelve different websites I regularly visit several days ago. :)

But yeah, I’m excited too. I like the cover art. I’m not particularly excited about the movie, but it may end up surprising me. Never been big on Black Panther.

Hope there’s solid Kendrick stuff on there. Hope he doesn’t phone it in because it’s not a proper album (I’ve questioned many of his non-albjm decisions).

But yeah, sweet news!

evollove 01.16.2018 09:42 PM

Ug. Hate it when an otherwise good rap song uses word "faggot." How do you guys deal with it?

And why are all black people prejudiced? I think it's wrong to lump a whole group into one category the way all black people do.

Severian 01.17.2018 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Ug. Hate it when an otherwise good rap song uses word "faggot." How do you guys deal with it?

And why are all black people prejudiced? I think it's wrong to lump a whole group into one category the way all black people do.


Not a lot of modern rap uses that term. Least not shit I listen to. Kanye, Kendrick, Chance, Pusha, Vince (I think) don’t do that shit.

evollove 01.17.2018 08:07 PM

Kinda serious question: do you toss out all your rap albums every year or so? (I guess you'd hold on to your Kanye collection) You seem to be almost hostile toward anything that isn't new and you're not really respectful of the awesomeness of the past, even the recent past.

Just trying to suss out your attitude.


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Originally Posted by Severian
within doing anything drastically new sonically, he [Talib K] sounds like an artifact at this point.


Jesus fuck, isn't there a middle ground between drastically new and artifact?

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Originally Posted by Severian
But... man, he’s a legend. That’s the one-half of BlackStar that’s still making decent rap music right there!


Yeah. Last year alone he released a good record and a great EP. What's the problem?

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Originally Posted by Severian
Talib and Common both suffer from the same disease: awesomeness in a former decade. But it’s still awesomeness.


Doesn't "awesomeness" beat "new"?

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Originally Posted by Severian
I haven’t heard the new one yet.


Because remember that day when you could have listened to it, but you instead opted to play something that was new, although by track five you realized it was a really shitty record?

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Originally Posted by louder
Common gave us a fantastic album and no one cared.

He was one of the last good ones.

The new rappers are so garbage.


Hey. Louder said it. Not me.

I take it the album in question is Black America Again? I think it sags in the middle, but the opener is innovative enough, the title track is an instant classic, and "Letter to the Free" is among the greatest things he's ever made. Only five or so worthy tracks surrounded by dross, like nearly every Common album, but manohman the good ones are good and I strongly suspect will be good years from now.


Probably sounds like I'm giving you shit, and I sort of am, but I'd be happy to hear you explain how you approach this genre. I'm curious why you seem to have a lot of rules, whereas my approach of being open to everything has been richly rewarding.

Rob Instigator 01.18.2018 10:58 AM

at least Jay Z never spent a decade stroking it to a video of Brandi's bro laying pipe on Bey huH?

Severian 01.18.2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Kinda serious question: do you toss out all your rap albums every year or so? (I guess you'd hold on to your Kanye collection) You seem to be almost hostile toward anything that isn't new and you're not really respectful of the awesomeness of the past, even the recent past.

Just trying to suss out your attitude.




Jesus fuck, isn't there a middle ground between drastically new and artifact?



Yeah. Last year alone he released a good record and a great EP. What's the problem?



Doesn't "awesomeness" beat "new"?



Because remember that day when you could have listened to it, but you instead opted to play something that was new, although by track five you realized it was a really shitty record?



Hey. Louder said it. Not me.

I take it the album in question is Black America Again? I think it sags in the middle, but the opener is innovative enough, the title track is an instant classic, and "Letter to the Free" is among the greatest things he's ever made. Only five or so worthy tracks surrounded by dross, like nearly every Common album, but manohman the good ones are good and I strongly suspect will be good years from now.


Probably sounds like I'm giving you shit, and I sort of am, but I'd be happy to hear you explain how you approach this genre. I'm curious why you seem to have a lot of rules, whereas my approach of being open to everything has been richly rewarding.



Why are you quoting me, and then louder? Why are you asking me to explain my opinion on Talib? I only said positive things about Talib, and also that he’d fizzled from a cultural standpoint and failed to progress past a certain point... like Common... despite still making good music and being a legend. What’s the problem with that exactly? I like Talib. He’s just not surprising me anymore. Most musicians aren’t. The few that do are the ones I like. Am I answering your question?

I don’t think you picked up what I was putting down here, and it was a while ago so I don’t remember the conversation (and you’re quoting from several different conversations and two different people) so I can’t address whatever it is you’re asking, which is not clear to me.

No I don’t throw away my music.
I hate a lot of music in all genres. Most new rap sucks, most old rap sucks, most music in ever genre sucks. Doesn’t mean I don’t love artists from every genre.

I really don’t get what you’re ever going for here, but basically I haven’t heard a *brand* new rapper that has caught my interest in a couple of years. Does that help?

Severian 01.18.2018 11:15 AM

Also, next time ask when the topic is fresh. I’m really not sure what the fuck this is about. Sorry if I... made you... mad? Or something?

evollove 01.18.2018 12:29 PM

You know what's funny? I pop on here this morning and see that in many threads, people are giving you shit. I felt bad. It read like "Beat Up on Severin Day."

No, I'm not mad. And geez, the quotes weren't that old. I was just browsing around last night and I couldn't really figure out your attitude. That's really about it.

louder 01.18.2018 01:10 PM

Renowned hip-hop artist and actor Common, drummer Karriem Riggins, and pianist Robert Glasper are set to release their first album under the moniker August Greene in March. For its lead single, the trio brought on the heart of ’90s pop-R&B, Brandy, to cover Sounds Of Blackness’ 1991 “Optimistic.” The song is typically carried by a full choir, but Brandy’s familiar harmonies flow over Glasper’s ryhthmic piano and Riggins’ swift drumming to give it an updated sound and exuberance. Listen below.

https://www.stereogum.com/1979164/au...-brandy/music/

noisereductions 01.18.2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
Renowned hip-hop artist and actor Common, drummer Karriem Riggins, and pianist Robert Glasper are set to release their first album under the moniker August Greene in March. For its lead single, the trio brought on the heart of ’90s pop-R&B, Brandy, to cover Sounds Of Blackness’ 1991 “Optimistic.” The song is typically carried by a full choir, but Brandy’s familiar harmonies flow over Glasper’s ryhthmic piano and Riggins’ swift drumming to give it an updated sound and exuberance. Listen below.

https://www.stereogum.com/1979164/au...-brandy/music/


woah woah woah. Wow. Riggins and Glasper together w/ Common sounds awesome.

louder 01.18.2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I hate a lot of music in all genres. Most new rap sucks, most old rap sucks, most music in ever genre sucks. Doesn’t mean I don’t love artists from every genre.

Well said.

Common has a special place in my heart anyway, and I'm a sucker for anything even remotely soulful. However, there's only so much smoothness and positivity I can take and then I always feel the need to balance it out with some abrasive harshness.

louder 01.18.2018 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
woah woah woah. Wow. Riggins and Glasper together w/ Common sounds awesome.

Real! Also glad to see you here again, NR.

noisereductions 01.18.2018 02:34 PM

I'm always here... in your hearts.

For real though, I'm excited about that record. Glasper's been on a real winning streak for a while now. And I've checked out every major project he's dropped since I first discovered him via TPAB. He's maybe/probably my favorite pianist right now. I'd highly suggest any heads here listen to his album Covered from 2015. It's a live trio recording where he tackles stuff some of y'all will find interesting like Radiohead's "Reckoner" and Kendrick's "I'm Dying Of Thirst," seriously check that out.

And I imagine that everyone in this thread has heard Riggins' Together/Alone already? It's cool that he's working w/ Glasper here - I actually wish that Riggins would do s'more straight up jazz albums just to show off his chops.

Anyway yeah sorry. I haven't had a lot to say in the cafe in a while. The vast majority of hip hop that I've heard in the past year or so is stuff that I was already familiar with. Just haven't really been in a head space to check out new stuff much lately. I just go w/ the flow and listen to whatever my head, brain and heart tell me they want to hear.

I did think Sza's album was fantastic in 2017, though. I mean it's not hip hop. But y'know, TDE and Kendrick was on it and everything. Just saying.

louder 01.18.2018 03:40 PM

Did Q-Tip really call Young Thug the best rapper in the game? Can't find a source to that.

noisereductions 01.18.2018 03:54 PM

taht sounds wrong.

louder 01.18.2018 04:55 PM

Yeah, Rob mentioned that and I just believed him. But now I told my friend about it and he asked me for a link and I found nothing. So I don't think it is true??

noisereductions 01.18.2018 05:13 PM

Rob makes stuff up.


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