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static-harmony 11.19.2006 03:17 PM

What do you think of the draft being reinstated?
 
here is an article where a politician thinks the draft would have never led us to the war.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061119/...military_draft

golden child 11.19.2006 03:50 PM

i read that when truman was president some railroad workers went on strike, throwing the country a curve ball and truman tried to get the workers drafted so he could legally force them back into work.

thought that was interesting.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 11.19.2006 03:58 PM

If they reinstate the draft they better stop letting gays in the army so I can pull an Iggy Pop.

static-harmony 11.19.2006 03:59 PM

Yeah we fags don't want to go into the army, we are not masculine enough.

static-harmony 11.19.2006 04:00 PM

But in all seriousness, I think this would cause an uproar, among kids today.

noisemachine 11.19.2006 04:58 PM

Theres no way the draft will be reinstated.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 11.19.2006 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by static-harmony
Yeah we fags don't want to go into the army, we are not masculine enough.


This is how Iggy got out of the draft FYI:

Quote:

Queering Out
When I was first supposed to go up for the draft, it was the biggest quarterly callup, and hopefully would be the last . It was late 1966. They needed 650,000 guys to sign the dotted line within 3 months; each was to serve for 2 years.

I didn't want to go up for several reasons. One, I couldn't stand the idea of being a pawn of the sick society of America, dominated by men. Two, there was my musical career - the odds are so great anyway that you can't have an interruption. Anyway, no way Jose was I going to sleep in a bunkhouse with a bunch of crewcut machos: I hate guys - at least ones who call themselves guys - they are full of shit.

So I was still in the Prime Movers band at this time. They were older guys, a blues band. I was waiting, smelling out the right move: waiting for the Stooges to appear. So what did I do? My strategy to get out was this. First, I said to my mom, "Mom, you know I've really been looking like a ragamuffin." So she bought me the kind of clothes that a mother buys, right? A pair of nice gray slacks that fit really absurdly, you know, and a funny crew neck, mauve sweater-ish sort of polo shirt. I had my hair cut very short. i looked great as a mamma's boy, my disguise was impeccable.

My idea was to queer out. So I went down to the station, down to Fort Wayne with my peer group. We all went down on a special bus line. We all did a mental test, and then we took physicals, starting at station one. Station one is where you take off your clothes down to your skivies, and then you're supposed to get in line for the next bullshit test. So, in my part of the room, I stripped off and didn't have any underwear, just bare naked - pretty clever plan, eh? I just whacked it a little bit and walked out with just the most enormous hard-on (11" x 1 3/4" at approximately a 94 degree angle), straight toward my place in line. I'd not gone four steps when a shout rang out: "Halt!" a sergeant approached. "Where's your UNDERWEAR?!!!"

So I got noticed right away. "Help me out man," I said. So they sent me to a rest station to collect myself. I then hyperventilated and ran down the hall, stopping just before I saw a medic - so I was really shaking - and he said, "what's wrong?" and I said, "I'm gay, man, I'm scared to be here with my clothes off around other men." So I went to the shrink, and he asked me questions like, "Wht does gay mean? What's a queen?" things like that. By this time I was really into it. He took me downstairs to the captain. I was almost in tears, I was so wrapped up in my role - lots of convulsions and tears. I started disgusting him and undermining his professional attitude, and he asked me to leave.

It only took me an hour and a half to evade the draft: all in a good day's work.





So static, do you think if there was a draft you, hayden, and porkie could help me come up with a similar plan to make me appear gay?

HaydenAsche 11.19.2006 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
This is how Iggy got out of the draft FYI:






So static, do you think if there was a draft you, hayden, and porkie could help me come up with a similar plan to make me appear gay?


I'd have to make a plan to make myself NOT appear gay. It's fairly easy to appear gay.

Hip Priest 11.19.2006 05:28 PM

I can't see why anyone in any profession would want to be lumbered with a load of staff who don't want to be there, or the logic in thinking that it might be a good idea.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 11.19.2006 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
I'd have to make a plan to make myself NOT appear gay. It's fairly easy to appear gay.


Yeah, some people think I'm gay. Mostly because I'm weird and I don't have girlfriends all too often.

golden child 11.19.2006 06:00 PM

you know, if the policy is "dont ask, dont tell"

why dont you just tell them "im gay".

LifeDistortion 11.19.2006 06:59 PM

War is not for everyone, and I don't think our goverment should make anyone who doesn't willingly volunteer go to another country and be made to kill another human being, Vietnam did that, and look how many people came back emotionally, phyiscally, and mentally damaged. I have every respect for any soilder who willingly enlists in the armed forces, but to make ones who simply don't have the inner strength within them to deal with it, that's a hell of a lot to ask of.

khchris(original) 11.19.2006 08:17 PM

Well, aren't there European countries that have a mandatory military duty for all males?

I would start with drafting those rich spoiled OC kids hanging at the block in orange and at hot topic.

gmku 11.19.2006 08:39 PM

I think only gay men should serve in the Army. Based on my interactions, they're smarter and tougher than most other American males, and often very conscientious. I'd rather trust the defence of my country to an Army of gay men than one full of redneck hillbillies.

Pax Americana 11.19.2006 08:47 PM

If they bring back the draft I'll be looking for a place in Canada.

gmku 11.19.2006 08:54 PM

I hope I'm too old. Unfortunately, my son isn't.

zulfiqar 11.19.2006 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
I have every respect for any soilder who willingly enlists in the armed forces, but to make ones who simply don't have the inner strength within them to deal with it, that's a hell of a lot to ask of.

indeed.

terminal pharmacy 11.20.2006 12:27 AM

what do you think about being sent to your death against your will

HaydenAsche 11.20.2006 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
I think only gay men should serve in the Army. Based on my interactions, they're smarter and tougher than most other American males, and often very conscientious. I'd rather trust the defence of my country to an Army of gay men than one full of redneck hillbillies.


Thanks, dear. We appreciate it.

Now, excuse us while we get a manicure.

krastian 11.20.2006 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by static-harmony
Yeah we fags don't want to go into the army, we are not masculine enough.

Ok.

Norma J 11.20.2006 02:16 AM

I ain't going to war to kill a man for anybody.

jon boy 11.20.2006 04:31 AM

anyone stupid enough to want to join the army should be let in.

Norma J 11.20.2006 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kegmama
That's ok, they can make you go kill a woman or child instead.





 


[sarcasm]Well that's ok then[/sarcasm]

No. I wouldn't kill anything.

static-harmony 11.20.2006 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kegmama
If they can't help you, I can Spectral...
It just requires another guy and loads of anal lube.


Also we would need a home video.

gmku 11.20.2006 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
Thanks, dear. We appreciate it.

Now, excuse us while we get a manicure.


Keep that trigger finger pretty!

HaydenAsche 11.20.2006 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Keep that trigger finger pretty!


Oh, I must. It's my duty as a faggot. Cantankerous said something once about how hot it looks when you light up a cigarette and your nails look fucking ace. So true.

gmku 11.20.2006 01:58 PM

Yeah. The ciggies might kill ya, but at least you'll have a well-manicured corpse.

static-harmony 11.20.2006 02:00 PM

I have the tape already just in case they call me to enlist. ciggies are bad ass, I want one although I never had one.

This is funny my next door neighbor is singing in an awful voice, quite disturbing.

gmku 11.20.2006 02:07 PM

You should take up smoking and other harmful drugs when you're like 80 or 90 and know you won't last much longer anyway. Gives me something to look forward to--I want a carton of Camels for my 80th birthday, a bag of heroin when I turn 90.

!@#$%! 11.20.2006 07:52 PM

i support the idea. let's spread the death toll across racial and class lines. why is it mostly poor brown people and rural whites who end up getting fucked in the ass for the wars that rich people launch? equal opportunity death would indeed be a way to stop the congressional fatcats from sending kids to die on a whim.

nature scene 11.20.2006 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i support the idea. let's spread the death toll across racial and class lines. why is it mostly poor brown people and rural whites who end up getting fucked in the ass for the wars that rich people launch? equal opportunity death would indeed be a way to stop the congressional fatcats from sending kids to die on a whim.



Forced equality isn't the same as equal opportunity. Everyone has the same opportunity to volunteer or not.

But yeah, isn't that kind of the idea behind this whole draft thing being brought up - that it will make politicians think twice about getting into wars?

Somehow I doubt that it will work out like that. All it really means is that those politicians will be guaranteed to have the numbers they need to go to war with whomever they wish.

Maybe they should raise the pay of soldiers instead.

!@#$%! 11.20.2006 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nature scene
Forced equality isn't the same as equal opportunity. Everyone has the same opportunity to volunteer or not.

But yeah, isn't that kind of the idea behind this whole draft thing being brought up - that it will make politicians think twice about getting into wars?

Of course, all it really means is that those politicians will be guaranteed to have the numbers they need to go to war with whomever they wish.


oh, the "equal opportunity death" thing was a purely rhethorical device.

about the numbers, perhaps, but you wait and see those white middle class parents up in arms when junior is being sent to invade venezuela just because. those middle class parents who for the most part sat idly before 2003.

if one cindy sheehan created such a racket, can you imagine what 10,000 of them could do?

nature scene 11.20.2006 08:24 PM

yeah, I get your drift, but it still doesn't sit well with me.

!@#$%! 11.20.2006 08:27 PM

yeah, sure, it's the government forcing people to do stuff.

the thing is, where i live, lots of poor brown people are seduced into joining the armed forces with frisbies, brainwashing slogans, and promises of college money. of course many come back too fucked up to function. but because we're talking about poor brown kids with no political muscle, nobody gives a shit-- kinda like the mexican who cleans your pool. (not your pool-- again the metaphors).

anyway, i'm really not for the draft nor for the war-- but as long as people keep stirring the shit, and thinking about things instead of being drones, i'm happy.

static-harmony 11.21.2006 02:57 AM

I don't wanna go, if gets reinstated I am going to jail instead.

Cantankerous 11.21.2006 02:59 AM

i can't get drafted, so i don't give a shit.

static-harmony 11.21.2006 03:01 AM

Well Isn't she no longer speaker of the house? I wish they had chosen her.

finding nobody 01.18.2007 09:36 PM

I found out today that you can't be drafted in you're the only son, or the youngest
(Yes!)

krastian 01.19.2007 01:33 AM

^Yeah I have that, the gayness, and the half-blindness going for me.

SynthethicalY 01.19.2007 01:35 AM

I have youngest, gayness, weakling (too many operations), Partially deaf, and I may have some sort of psychosis.


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