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RanaldoNecro 02.13.2010 02:43 PM

fascism
 
I Keep seeing this word again and again on this board. Anyone wanna weigh in on this?

jon boy 02.13.2010 02:46 PM

genteel death.

demonrail666 02.13.2010 03:14 PM

It could be said (in fact it has) that much of Europe's intellectual direction since WWII has been an attempt to fully understand (ultimately in order to eradicate) the idea of fascism, both as a political structure and as a mental condition and most interestingly try and understand why so many people feel so drawn to its power. In a way, the fact that people use the word so openingly and in so many contexts only demonstrates the various ways in which it can exist within a (non-fascist) society.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.13.2010 05:07 PM

facism is an intentional misspelling fascism, though since the word is not English there is truly no standard English spelling, because in the academic world you find both spellings used interchangeably.

fascism is an extreme rightist, conservative, authoritarianism with a distinctive essence of patriotic nationalism. It is a fairly common reaction to the surge in nationalism in post-19th century Europe considering the authoritarian history of European government.
As to if there is some other meaning behind the intentional misspelling other than it being a coincidence I do not know, maybe some sonic veteranos can explain this, I am from the post-ATL era.

Glice 02.13.2010 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
facism is an intentional misspelling fascism, though since the word is not English there is truly no standard English spelling, because in the academic world you find both spellings used interchangeably.


No you don't. Ever. I have never seen the word 'fascism' spelt 'facism' in any serious paper, journal or book. In fact, my American word-checker says that facism isn't a word.

EDIT: let me clarify that - if English borrows a word (which we have done, since before WWII), that doesn't immediately mean that a standardised spelling doesn't appear. English is built upon borrowed words, and we tend to standardise the spellings thereof. 'Standardise' and 'standardize' are examples of words with the same definitions and alternate spellings; 'facism' and 'fascism' are not.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.14.2010 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
No you don't. Ever. I have never seen the word 'fascism' spelt 'facism' in any serious paper, journal or book. In fact, my American word-checker says that facism isn't a word.

EDIT: let me clarify that - if English borrows a word (which we have done, since before WWII), that doesn't immediately mean that a standardised spelling doesn't appear. English is built upon borrowed words, and we tend to standardise the spellings thereof. 'Standardise' and 'standardize' are examples of words with the same definitions and alternate spellings; 'facism' and 'fascism' are not.


bullocks!



Philosopher of Facism Giovanni Gentle

Definition-Facism from US Legal Definitions.com

in fact, just google search "Facism" and click "Scholar" option and a list of dozens and dozens of scholarly articles come up..

The neo-facist State: notes on the pathology of power in the Third …


A EQBAL - Arab Studies Quarterly, 1981 - Spring
Commemorate the Victory Over German Facism! Carry the Struggle …


L Ruiqing - Peking Review
Verstehen, Holism and Facism


D Cooper - ROYAL INSTITUTE OF …, 1996 - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS



Psychoanalysis and facism: two incompatible approaches. The difficult role of …


AM Accerboni - Rev Int Hist Psychanal, 1988 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov






aside from the fact that when I was doing my senior thesis on the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, I came across that particular spelling in at least six different primary sources from the 1930s..

try not to sound so authoritative in the future when you are not as well informed as you believed : )

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.14.2010 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
bullocks!



Philosopher of Facism Giovanni Gentle

Definition-Facism from US Legal Definitions.com

in fact, just google search "Facism" and click "Scholar" option and a list of dozens and dozens of scholarly articles come up..

The neo-facist State: notes on the pathology of power in the Third …


A EQBAL - Arab Studies Quarterly, 1981 - Spring
Commemorate the Victory Over German Facism! Carry the Struggle …


L Ruiqing - Peking Review
Verstehen, Holism and Facism


D Cooper - ROYAL INSTITUTE OF …, 1996 - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS



Psychoanalysis and facism: two incompatible approaches. The difficult role of …


AM Accerboni - Rev Int Hist Psychanal, 1988 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov






aside from the fact that when I was doing my senior thesis on the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, I came across that particular spelling in at least six different primary sources from the 1930s..

try not to sound so authoritative in the future when you are not as well informed as you believed : )

It is a mistake to believe that it is possible to substitute "provisionally" the absolute power of a Central Committee (acting somehow by "tacit delegation") for the yet unrealizable rule of the majority of conscious workers in the party, and in this way replace the open control of the working masses over the party organs with the reverse control by the Central Committee over the revolutionary proletariat.

greedrex 02.14.2010 09:00 PM

What really matters is who has got the biggest penis : A.god or Suchfriends?

cagedbird 02.14.2010 09:21 PM

i learned fascism in high school. the librarian showed me a fascist logo in the dictionary. it was a bundle of reeds bound together. that is supposed to say fascism. so, free reeds, i say.

automatic bzooty 02.14.2010 10:51 PM

dun
dun dun
[skreeeeeeeeeee]

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.14.2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
Also, I hate that you did your senior thesis on the Italian invasion of Etheopia. I mean, it's obvious, but I still hate it.

And before you get in an uproar defending your step-motherland, all "It's spelled Ethiopia my brother," I assure you that it can be spelled as 'Etheopia' as well. See:

Horror stories about Etheopia: How bad is it really? - The HUBB

I link, therefore I am.



actually its spelled

Αἰθιοπία (greek) or
 
(E-te-ye-pi-ye)

and I had no choice, my senior seminar was on Genocide, and the Italians perpetrated genocide and mass murder in Ethiopia during the invasion.. I had nightmares for months, all that class was was holocaust, rwanda, cambodia, and me digging in deep on the genocide in Ethiopia, a relatively understudied subject.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
I'll post mine if he posts his.


as them say on Craig's List, "No Dick Shots please."

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.14.2010 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
Well, that displays several choices. First and foremost to take a seminar on genocide. And then, out of all of the many, many examples of genocide selecting one focused on Ethiopia.

So no comment on my post regarding the spelling of fascism?



Quote:

The neo-facist State: notes on the pathology of power in the Third …
Quote:



A EQBAL - Arab Studies Quarterly, 1981 - Spring
Commemorate the Victory Over German Facism! Carry the Struggle …


L Ruiqing - Peking Review
Verstehen, Holism and Facism


D Cooper - ROYAL INSTITUTE OF …, 1996 - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS



Psychoanalysis and facism: two incompatible approaches. The difficult role of …


AM Accerboni - Rev Int Hist Psychanal, 1988 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


remember these? oh yeah, and didn't you read when I said, "SIX primary sources I used for that project spelled it 'facism' "?

sometimes it is a typo, sometimes it is just the way it has been spelled..

floatingslowly 02.14.2010 11:31 PM

facism is an unintentional misspelling when I miss the "s" key and hit send on my iphone, though since the word is used replying to some cunt, there is truly no reason to go back and edit, because this is not the academic world and the cunts get what I mean.

Genteel Death 02.15.2010 02:13 AM

It doesn't get any better, as far as threads go, than debating the correct spelling of fascism with posts peppered with threats of showing one's cock in public to prove a point. I am a happy man.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 02.15.2010 02:41 AM

I'd argue that the Stalinist Soviet Union was fascist as well. I think of poltics more in terms of a sphere than a compass. Once you get so extreme, no matter your reasoning for it, it all boils down to the same thing- the "elite" who know how everything should be done controlling the weak.

The fascists saw themselves as being very different from the communists, but they weren't.

Government controlled economy, party members being rewarded with the riches, horrible cruelty to mankind, lack of freedom. . . etc.

pbradley 02.15.2010 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
I'd argue that the Stalinist Soviet Union was fascist as well.

I don't think there are many who would disagree with you there.

Lurker 02.15.2010 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
I did, I just didn't realize you wanted me to point out your errors even further when about ten seconds of fact checking could have saved you that embarrassment. See below:

1) A EQBAL - Arab Studies Quarterly, 1981 - Spring
Commemorate the Victory Over German Facism! Carry the Struggle …

-Well, if you Google this:
http://openlibrary.org/b/OL16601666M/Commemorate_the_victory_over_German_fascism!_Carry _the_struggle_against_U.S._imperialism_through_to_ the_end!

You find a link with the title, except this time fascism is spelled correctly. You also see a picture of the cover of the publication, once more with the CORRECT SPELLING OF FASCISM. On the cover. Again. Or if you want to argue that this is a generated cover (as a few more seconds of looking at it reveals) you'll notice that everywhere else this publication is cited on the internet, fascism is spelled correctly.

2) L Ruiqing - Peking Review
Verstehen, Holism and Facism
D Cooper - ROYAL INSTITUTE OF …, 1996 - CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS

-
Oh look, a quick google search shows another link with the actual publication scanned in, and fascism is spelled correctly here too.



3) Psychoanalysis and facism: two incompatible approaches. The difficult role of …
AM Accerboni - Rev Int Hist Psychanal, 1988 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


-After the first misspelling it's spelled correctly everywhere else.




You seem to like to offer up ridiculous amounts of evidence for everything even when it's blatantly wrong. So until you provide me with actual evidence that anyone ever intentionally misspells fascism as 'facism' for a desired effect, I think we can call the matter resolved.

Also, please stop trying to missrepresent Sonic Youth:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/111/2...923dab.jpg?v=0



This is hilarious.

verme (prevaricator) 02.15.2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RanaldoNecro
I Keep seeing this word again and again on this board. Anyone wanna weigh in on this?

demagogy.

Glice 02.15.2010 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
try not to sound so authoritative in the future when you are not as well informed as you believed : )
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Shall I wait before I get it sanctioned from someone else before I sound authoritative next time?

Also, you owe this board one picture of your cock.

static-harmony 02.15.2010 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Shall I wait before I get it sanctioned from someone else before I sound authoritative next time?

Also, you owe this board one picture of your cock.


You just want to compare it to yours.

Glice 02.15.2010 02:46 PM

Mine bears no comparison, except to excessively large buildings made of firm yet romantically yielding steel.

RanaldoNecro 02.15.2010 02:52 PM

post-ATL?

ni'k 02.15.2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Mine bears no comparison, except to excessively large buildings made of firm yet romantically yielding steel.


like the wtc

Glice 02.15.2010 03:03 PM

It does produce similar long lasting feelings of grief when it collapses, yes.

Glice 02.15.2010 03:21 PM

Rarely. Mission control tends to bat them off quite effectively.

pbradley 02.15.2010 04:01 PM

Certainly it's often protested by vegan anarchists for its global presence.

ni'k 02.15.2010 04:19 PM

and many people would rather jump off to their death than stay on it

ni'k 02.15.2010 04:20 PM

altho the ones that stay on are guaranteed to get hot

ni'k 02.15.2010 04:23 PM

here is a video of glice porn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De1wNLEGQ30

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.15.2010 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
I see SuchFriends went back and made some edits but did not reply. Fortunately I'd already quoted him and thereby preserved some (if not all) of his original remarks. And I'm only being such a stickler (i.e. dick) because when a person is wrong, they're wrong. If you were right I'd be on your side (because I am clearly always only on the side of that which is right), but you aren't right. And in addition to being incorrect you are trying to carry it off with a degree of bravado as seen here:



Or here, in a separate thread:



Sorry dude, but you're now going to have to take a picture of yourself with your foot in your own mouth and post it here for good measure. You've already made it clear that you won't post your dick.


hey, I know you are excited to show me your dick, but I directed those comments towards Glice, not you.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.15.2010 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
Shall I wait before I get it sanctioned from someone else before I sound authoritative next time?

Also, you owe this board one picture of your cock.


dude, yr gonna have call yr sister or yr lady if you want a testimony of my dick, cuz as excited as amerkangod is to see it, its not happening. You fags are just gonna have to take your pissing contest somewhere else..

further.

I concede the articles I posted are mistakes.. however explain the monographs from the 1930s? (and sorry.. I do not own copies to scan pictures from, and when I quoted them in my paper I let spell check 'fix' the mistake)

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod

And I swear to God, I will post my own cock if that's what it takes.

SuchFriends, I am calling you out for an old-fashioned cock challenge.


get over it. No one wants to see your dick, and I only get into "show me your dick" competitions with chicks who ask to see it, not internet jack-offs who have overly inflated egos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod
I'm assuming he meant post-'A Tousand Leaves' ... which made more sense in the context of his later question:

"and further, how come none you bad ass sonic officianados didn't tackle the question I posed,
so why did sonic youth spell it Facism?"

Which he later edited out after I posted a link showing that Sonic Youth had spelled it correctly. Not incorrectly.

Or maybe he just looked at the tracklist on the back of 'Dirty,' the deluxe edition of 'Dirty,' or possibly another source in which Sonic Youth spelled fascism correctly.

I have never met a man who owed a message board a picture of his cock more.


If YOU were paying attention, THIS THREAD WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED "FACISM" and the author changed it cuz all you assholes were talking so much SHIT!

I mistakenly assumed that this was a sonic youth reference because in all honesty, I did not check to see how it was spelled by sonic youth. I am honest and secure enough with myself to admit this mistake and also keep my dick to myself thank you.. sending pictures of your dick over the internet is the kind of crime I DONT want on my background check thank you ;)

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.15.2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amerikangod

Which he later edited out after I posted a link showing that Sonic Youth had spelled it correctly. Not incorrectly.


I have never met a man who owed a message board a picture of his cock more.


actually, as bursting with pride as you are, I NEVER even SAW that link and I honestly do not know what you are talking about. I changed the spelling because the THREAD title changed its spelling and on MY OWN I googled searched and found that sonic had spelled it correctly, when in truth beforehand I was unaware.

Glice 02.15.2010 04:43 PM

Ah, c'mon. Play nice. Just a little picture of your cock. It can be blurry if you like.

verme (prevaricator) 02.15.2010 04:43 PM

regular users can't change thread titles.

just saying.

ni'k 02.15.2010 04:56 PM

so, amerikangod, are you going to post a picture of your dick or not?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.15.2010 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)
regular users can't change thread titles.

just saying.


yes you can. its under "advanced settings" I do it whenever I make a typo on the title :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ni'k
so, amerikangod, are you going to post a picture of your dick or not?


no, this fool just likes to talk about it. Personally, I didn't even bring up dicks into this thread and I can't for the life of me understand why he has talked about it 7 times now, and glice twice. Dude, what the fuck does your dicks have to do with fascism or sonic youth?

Glice 02.15.2010 05:03 PM

So to recapitulate: Are we seriously not getting any dick in this thread?

ni'k 02.15.2010 05:04 PM

i'm really not reading or interested in this spelling feud you guys are having and so when i ask the question it has nothing to do with that and i am not trying to be malicious or anything - so when i ask - so, americangod, are you going to post a picture of your dick? - please understand it is merely a sincere request for information.

ni'k 02.15.2010 05:05 PM

oh ok i just noticed that other post. so the matter is settled then, what time do you get home from work at?

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.15.2010 05:08 PM

 


Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
So to recapitulate: Are we seriously not getting any dick in this thread?


fucking shit. Will you assholes stop talking about dicks already? That is 8 for Amerikangod and 3 for Glice.. all this talk about dicks is getting a bit old, especially since NO ONE is even in this so-called competition.

Amerikangod, did YOU read any of the threads to realize that the only one really talking about showing off dicks is you? I don't give a FUCK about your dick or Glices.. and if you assholes want to end this pissing contest:

"I am sorry, I made a mistake. FASCISM is the ABSOLUTE and ONLY way the spell Fascim, not facism, and in NO OTHER circumstances, accidents and spelling mistakes aside, is it spelled any other way other than Fascism." signed, Habte Selassie aka SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I am truly and utterly sorry regarding any confusion from my mistake in this regard.

peace and love,
habte selassie

http://www.myspace.com/suchfriendsaredangerous (no dick shots please)


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