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What is the ideal starter CD for a SY newbie?
being hyperactive after having drunk too much gingko green tea, I start another thread.
what Sonic Youth CD would you recommend as a starter for SY newbie? I would say Murray Street would be ideal - it's accessible and has some great tunes on it while not turning back on experimental soundscapes and feedback paranoia at times (Karen Revisited). Dirty would do as well. what do you think? |
It depends whether they already like non-mainstream music or not.
If it's someone who doesn't even have, say Nirvana and Pearl Jam as points of reference, I think Rather Ripped would be a pretty good place to start, as there is very little about it that is threatening to the novice. If the person already has some grounding, then, I agree, Murray Street would be a good one. |
yeah Murray Street first.....then maybe a bit of Nurse......after that a little.........mmmmm.........Dirty or Goo......then when you've got em hooked.....BANG! Washing Machine with a helping of Sister... if they are still interested and their brains are still intact you can EVOL'em up and NYCG+F their asses...
but then there just comes a time when you just have to let em make their own mistakes and let em take responsiblity for themselves.. ..... by this time if you've done your job they will be ordering SYR's online. |
i dunno, maybe Sister or Goo.
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...imho rather ripped...
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Probably Goo, Dirty, or Daydream Nation... Depends on what the guy likes.
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It was Goo that hooked me on SY back when it first came out. I think it's got a lot of hooks that would appeal to people used to more pop kinds of sounds, but it also has a lot of the SY trademark noise and sound-scape stuff. From there, I'd recommend Daydream Nation.
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Dirty is for people who still like poppy stuff
Goo is for alternative people DDN is for people who have experience with music and for people who like punk |
a friend of mine introduced sy to me by goo and ddn
thats how i came to that music so from a very subjective point of view i'd say those two are a good start |
I started with CIS but DDN is the best.
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I started with NYC G&F, maybe the worst CD to start :D
I'd say EVOL |
Dirty is clearly the place to start, as it's their most mainstream. Anything pre-Goo is a terrible idea, because the production is so bad that those records just sound horribly dated.
For me, I really dug "Kool Thing" when it was a single and all over "120 Minutes," but I didn't buy any SY until Dirty came out (got it on cassette, no less -- probably one of the last tapes I bought before switching to CDs). But I have a hard time listening to anything pre-Goo. It just sounds old and moldy to me. |
Honestly, either Daydream Nation or Murray Street. Daydream Nation was my first Sonic Youth record, but I got into it around the time of Murray Street and that tour (which I managed to catch them on). If Murray Street had sucked, I might not have even bothered to go to that concert, which is what really contributed to me becoming a big fan and buying even more of their albums. I heard Murray Street even before Goo, Dirty, Sister, EVOL, or any of that stuff. And really, I don't think any of the other albums could've gotten me hooked as fast as Daydream Nation and Murray Street did.
Then again, I have recommended Bad Moon Rising to people who I thought would like that sort of thing. It is one of my favorites. Right now it probably is my favorite of theirs, but that can change. I just think it's super. |
"Dirty" Deluxe Edition LP was the starting point for me.
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I would say Dirty and then Daydream Nation.
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confusion is sex! their best album
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I heard Dirty first, but it was Daydream Nation that got me into them.
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washing machine was a fine starting point for me. i mean, the long jams completely blew my mind, but not in any remotely discouraging way. i got into the band by way of nirvana.
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My first one was Dirty, and I didn't like it that much. Then I gave them a second chance and got EJSTNS and Daydream Nation and loved them. Ultimately, I'd say EJS was what got me into them, and if I didn't know better that's what I'd recommend. But apparently I have bad taste.
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yeah goo is a good starter.
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I think the general consensus is Goo or Dirty. Though both are easy to get into and shunned by many fans for that, it's great for someone new as they both contain traces of where SY had been and where they were going. I'd likely start with Dirty to be safe, but if you think they can handle something a little edgier, go for Goo. Then the other (Goo or Dirty...whichever you didn't start with). Then MS. Then DDN. If they don't like SY then, they're hopeless.
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You do realise that ultimately you have to work your way up to CIS + KYI, right? Ultimately?
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Fuck this pussyfooting around!
Daydream Nation. Do what you have to do. Ask no questions, have few conversations, just listen to Daydream Nation. cbeattie DISCLAIMER: However I am open to the suggestion that in the intervening 18 years since DDN was released SY have released many highly relevant and significant albums which may perhaps be a slightly prettier entry to their oeuvre. At the same time, DDN is a seminal classic, and I for one find myself inevitably judging their modern material in relation to DDN, at the same time appreciating their releases completely in their own right, in their own time, on their own merits. |
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My first record was "Goo", and you know what? That was a pretty good starting point, but I cant speak for everyone. But when I got to Sister and Murray Street... That's when I became a fan of the band.
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Almost my exact experience with Sister and becoming a fan except instead of MS (it wasn't out yet) it was DDN and/or Evol...I bought them both at the same time so I don't know which hooked me. Probably Evol as I remember DDN not living up to the hype at first and requiring a few listens. |
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confusion is sex, if they can't get into that album, then they can't like sonic youth
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confusion is sex...I love that album,. I think is the best---
it's the first sy album I heard |
I would say 'Goodbye 20th Century' is quite accessible and would recommend it to any SY newbie. After that, maybe ease on into 'TV Shit' and then chill out to 'Silver Sessions'
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Daydream Nation would be the best starter album. after that, get into goo. the older albums like washing machine might be too avant-garde for SY kids to get into
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I agree about the bad production and the mold...Dirty, or Rather Ripped, would be a good starting place. And yeah, Kool Thing was great! |
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Well I personally started with Washing Machine and the first time I heard that detuned guitars and stretched-out jams, I was like WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? But then, after second-third listen I completely fell for the sound, just because it was unlike anything I had heard ever before
and that was the start of my long-term sexual relationship with SY |
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