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pantophobia 08.22.2008 11:26 PM

looks like Joe Biden is to be the Democratic Veep Nominee
 
been a while since any real political news of substance has arisen, but it appears while not officially announced that Sen. Joe Biden is gonna be the vice-presidential nom

Quote:


U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden's House; Kaine and Bayh Told Nope on Veep

August 22, 2008 10:50 PM
The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.
Sources also tell ABC News that two others said to be finalists for the position of Obama's running mate -- Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Virginia Gov Tim Kaine -- have been told they have not been selected for the vice presidential slot.



i personally think this is an amazing choice, of all of the original dem nominees, he seemed the most lively and had some of the best character issues, and someone who i like more then Obama

as someone who hasn't been happy the way Obama has been straddling the center and saying the "right thing" to say, a straight shooter like Biden is a massive boost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

Danny Himself 08.23.2008 07:53 AM

I would've liked Dennis Kucinich.

vegans4veal 08.23.2008 10:09 AM

I would've liked Kucinich or Gravel, Obama ain't wild enough for that tho.

Derek 08.23.2008 10:29 AM

I would've liked Dennis Hopper.

drrrtyboots 08.23.2008 12:55 PM

MISTAKE.

demonrail666 08.23.2008 05:59 PM

He's an interesting choice. The whole thing reminds me of Tony Blair's decision to appoint John Prescott as deputy Primeminister. The Times today described how Obama presented binden as "a scrappy “working-class kid” who is as at home in a bar as on Capitol Hill." Very similar to the way an image conscious Blair played up Prescot's earthiness and experience.

As it happened, despite his political experience, Prescott proved quite incapable of rising to challenge of the job. Grittiness and experience proving a poor indicator of sound judgement. I think Obama is playing a fairly risky game here, I only hope it works out for him. As a European aware of the global significance of this upcoming election, I don't like the idea of a McCain victory coming as the result of a tactical misjudgement by Obama.

Certainly he could do without a scandal like this during the run-up period:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yG8buxb0lg

pantophobia 08.25.2008 12:09 PM

a politcal thread? and !@#$%! hasn't seen it?


HE'S BEEN BLINDED!!!

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pantophobia
a politcal thread? and !@#$%! hasn't seen it?


HE'S BEEN BLINDED!!!


ha ha

oh hey man

i was gone this weekend :D

yeah biden-- we'll see how that plays out.

i would have liked bill richardson. obama is 4 points behind in new mexico. he'd be ahead with richardson who is a very popular governor.

but then, "a black" and "a hispanic" might have been too much for mainstream america. i'm trying to understand the rationale behind this pick.

don't get me wrong, biden seems a likeable guy, it's just that, ha ha, fucking mccain already took ads where biden was saying obama has no experience etc etc.

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acousticrock87 08.25.2008 12:19 PM

Actually that makes sense. Much of the rationale, I think, is rooted in addressing the "inexperience" thing. It's been the only strong arguement thrown around since Obama jumped in.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by acousticrock87
Actually that makes sense. Much of the rationale, I think, is rooted in addressing the "inexperience" thing. It's been the only strong arguement thrown around since Obama jumped in.


yeah but it was BIDEN saying it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

gmku 08.25.2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
ha ha

oh hey man

i was gone this weekend :D

yeah biden-- we'll see how that plays out.

i would have liked bill richardson. obama is 4 points behind in new mexico. he'd be ahead with richardson who is a very popular governor.

but then, "a black" and "a hispanic" might have been too much for mainstream america. i'm trying to understand the rationale behind this pick.

don't get me wrong, biden seems a likeable guy, it's just that, ha ha, fucking mccain already took ads where biden was saying obama has no experience etc etc.

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Because New Mexico would be a big swing state? I'm seriously asking--I don't know.

Personally I think Biden was an extremely wise choice.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Because New Mexico would be a big swing state? I'm seriously asking--I don't know.

Personally I think Biden was an extremely wise choice.


yes new mexico could possibly decide the election.

http://www.swop.net/2008/03/is-nm-re...-election.html

no coincidence the democratic convention is in denver yo.

gotta win the southwest.

acousticrock87 08.25.2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yeah but it was BIDEN saying it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

So what better way to address the issue than to step in and help him out? There will be some smear, for sure, but strategically I think they can use Biden's position as The Experienced to the their advantage.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
So what better way to address the issue than to step in and help him out? There will be some smear, for sure, but strategically I think they can use Biden's position as The Experienced to the their advantage.


yes that is the idea. also to connect with "working class whites". people who are reluctant to vote for a black president on the basis of skin color alone. which are a lot of people.

but that ad came out AFTER the veep nomination. so-- tricky you see.

gmku 08.25.2008 12:33 PM

RIchardson's good, I'll give you that. But Biden--he can be an attack dog. He'll go after the bastards and let Obama look like the nice guy. It's a good, smart combo, I think.

acousticrock87 08.25.2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
yes that is the idea. also to connect with "working class whites". people who are reluctant to vote for a black president on the basis of skin color alone. which are a lot of people.

but that ad came out AFTER the veep nomination. so-- tricky you see.

Yeah, at least that's why it's not Richardson.

I know nothing about Biden's positions, so I don't know if I'm actually happy about it, but I'm not fucking voting for McCain so it doesn't really matter.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
RIchardson's good, I'll give you that. But Biden--he can be an attack dog. He'll go after the bastards and let Obama look like the nice guy. It's a good, smart combo, I think.


so are you ready to vote democrat? say it. say ittttttt.

mangajunky 08.25.2008 12:35 PM

I was hoping for Tim Kaine

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/

gmku 08.25.2008 12:35 PM

The thing I like about Biden in context of this ticket is that he brings some appearance of toughness to it. A very subjective thing, but Obama "looks" tougher and stronger because of Biden on the ticket.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:36 PM

the last bit of people obama needs to sell to is white middle class women over 40 who are still sore about hillary losing.

gmku 08.25.2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
so are you ready to vote democrat? say it. say ittttttt.


Ha ha. Um, you're talking to a Kennedy Democrat from way back in 1st grade, my friend.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
The thing I like about Biden in context of this ticket is that he brings some appearance of toughness to it. A very subjective thing, but Obama "looks" tougher and stronger because of Biden on the ticket.


yep, the strategy works.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Ha ha. Um, you're talking to a Kennedy Democrat from way back in 1st grade, my friend.


pish pish, you were ready to vote mccain, oh you were, you hilarite. :D

gmku 08.25.2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the last bit of people obama needs to sell to is white middle class women over 40 who are still sore about hillary losing.


I sure hope those people see that the answer ain't old-guy McCain!!

gmku 08.25.2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
pish pish, you were ready to vote mccain, oh you were, you hilarite. :D


Where does Hillary support translate to McCain support? Big non sequitor in these quarters, I can tell you.

acousticrock87 08.25.2008 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangajunky
I was hoping for Tim Kaine

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/

Ti' McCain? They already have one sketchy last name on the ticket. The etymologist watchdogs wouldn't have it.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
I sure hope those people see that the answer ain't old-guy McCain!!


ah man i wish i had the numbers with me i had them fresh after watching meet the press yesterday morning. lots of fun.

but i've forgotten.

anyway, i gotta go get lunch!

gmku 08.25.2008 12:41 PM

It doesn't matter. Obama's got it wrapped up. Mark my words.

acousticrock87 08.25.2008 12:42 PM

I've said that since he first announced he was running.

I wasn't so sure of it the whole time (the end of the primary was shakey), but I called it a long time ago. I have no doubts now.

gmku 08.25.2008 12:56 PM

Hail to the fucking Chief, right on!!! So long, King George.

mangajunky 08.25.2008 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
I've said that since he first announced he was running.

I wasn't so sure of it the whole time (the end of the primary was shakey), but I called it a long time ago. I have no doubts now.


I have serious doubts:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

acousticrock87 08.25.2008 01:09 PM

I know it isn't a sure thing, but I don't have any doubts. I'm also a gambler; sure things are the only things.

 

tesla69 08.25.2008 02:29 PM

according to larry sinclair:
I have been attacked, falsely arrested and falsely charged with a crime that Delaware Attorney General Joseph R. Biden III knows never happened all in the name of shutting down the TRUTH about Barack Obama’s crack cocaine use in 1999, his extra-marital affairs with me and other gay men, his long term intimate and sexual relationship with the MURDERED Donald Young, former choir director of Obama’s chuch TUCC in Chicago. The Obama thugs have had my websites shut down more than 8 times and attacked the servers causing www.larrysinclair0926.com and www.larrysinclairbarackobama.com to be shut down by startlogic one day before the DNC Convention, and they have admitted and bragged about it.

!@#$%! 08.25.2008 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
according to larry sinclair:
I have been attacked, falsely arrested and falsely charged with a crime that Delaware Attorney General Joseph R. Biden III knows never happened all in the name of shutting down the TRUTH about Barack Obama’s crack cocaine use in 1999, his extra-marital affairs with me and other gay men, his long term intimate and sexual relationship with the MURDERED Donald Young, former choir director of Obama’s chuch TUCC in Chicago. The Obama thugs have had my websites shut down more than 8 times and attacked the servers causing www.larrysinclair0926.com and www.larrysinclairbarackobama.com to be shut down by startlogic one day before the DNC Convention, and they have admitted and bragged about it.


oh, you work for mccain now-- awesome.

pantophobia 08.25.2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the last bit of people obama needs to sell to is white middle class women over 40 who are still sore about hillary losing.


well a lot of that should be glossed over in time

the working class class is the ones who he may never have had in the first place, who only liked Hillary and no other democrat, and many of them have their own race issues

one thing i have noticed is how Obama (and now with Biden) has been drawing more moderate republicans to their cause, some are pro-choice but others aren't, and taking away from mccain in that sense at times canceling out the hillary supporters

it's interesting what i have read about people's opinions about Biden, without really having any idea who he is or his humble lifestyle (takes the train from Wilmington to DC, Trains FTW), i think as people learn more about him i think they will realize he is the anti-cheney in this respect, and really like him


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