Damned you Gun lovin America!
 

When will we ever learn? Guns are a downward spiral, no good can come of them, especially things like AKs and handguns. Tell me, aside from fucking shooting somebody, what the fuck IS the legitimate and proper use of a handgun and therefore why does anyone really need to own one to begin with!

america is crazy. the 2nd ammendment is old news, they had slaves and killed indians for fun back then too, but only redneck confederates still believe in that, and yet we should keep the guns as well? I say like slaves, guns should be out.

i've got a rifle because it's my grandpa's
and a handgun that i don't intend to use unless my life or someone else's depends on it. i would never flash it around or use it to intimidate someone, i've got a samurai sword for that.

I'm extremely paranoid everywhere I go (some is warranted, some isn't) and I would feel much safer if I had a handgun with me.
Guns aren't the only things that can kill people, they're just easy. People will always be able to obtain them, so outlawing them is pointless. May as well have them legal & regulated, in my opinion.

Well. Guns are usually a good defense against guns. I would hate to see our police force disarmed. People will always have them, and outlawing them wouldn't change a thing.

I wish you would pull your little handgun on me, see how quick it is mine. and that my good friend, is what happens in homes across America all the time. you dont need those guns, guns just hurt people.

"New wave hippies don't protest, they do it on little screens."

it is the same argument as belief.

the first step is to outlaw guns. the second step is to get rid of them. if nobody has them, nobody needs them. if you let somefolks have them, then other folks will need them. If the police carry them, I want one, because I'll be damned if some authoritarian bastard can get one-up on me for no good reason other then a heater in his possession. So I take the better ground, be the bigger man, and say I dont want one, and he dont need one.

this also means removing guns from our social culture, not just our pockets. that is out of sight and mind together, because it is in the brainwashed masses that the desire to own a gun comes from, and then such ownership inevitably leads to a person getting hurt, because thats what guns do, they hurt people. all over the world that is all they do, you only need to have a gun to defend yourself against a person with a gun, if there are no guns, then no one needs them. Our society can be maintained without guns, my argument is that it is our gun culture itself that makes it so dangerous so as to believe the need is valid. But I say, no guns, no problems, yes guns, yes problems.

The street can have the guns go away, trust me. I plead the fifth ammendment here, but know that between 1994-2004 it was impossible to find good prices on street guns [and good prices are how these things get into the streets to begin with, po folks cant afford expensive guns] and in Cali where handguns are extremely regulated, it is very difficult to find street pistols. The overall gun-related homicide rates are down every year since 1992, and it is in the 90s that regulations began, so the laws and regulations have been a success. There are less guns in California thanks to prohibition and restrictions. I normally am opposed to big government, but the distribution of weapons is a serious matter, life and death.

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^And how do you suggest doing that?

look at some of the shit you can buy in america, its like livin in a warzone

some more crazy shit

Good points. I always find it a little saddening how Hollywood does its best to cut out people smoking cigarettes in its movies because it sends out the 'wrong message', but has no problem whatsoever showing some fucker wandering around brandishing a M60.

the way we have been doing it in Cali for ten years now, stop selling the mother fuckers! stop issuing permits for the mother fuckers! suddenly, you find them dissappearing off the streets, and therefore if the streets dont have them, then the people in their houses also will not need them.

Uh, people can still get them illegally. Especially if people really want to kill someone - they'll get their guns. It also increases the demand for them to be illegally shipped. It's impossible to completely remove every single gun from a country, unless you build a fucking wall around it --- talk about a warzone.

Weapons have not decreased in the history of mankind. To suggest that it will take a turn after all this time is like suggesting the laws of physics will reverse so we can populate the stars and not worry about overpopulation. It's just wishful thinking. Jaded idealism. There will always be guns.

I should buy a hand gun and shoot shit in the desert like Hunter S. Thompson.

you have not been listening. I already told you that because of restrictions in sales, the guns on the streets have declined, from my own personal experience, let alone all the past decade of california statistics.

You dont understand the circle of your argument, you say, that you need a gun to defend yourself against people who will get them from the street if they really want to kill you, but dont you even know where most street guns come from? They fell off a truck at the gun shop that was trying to sell them in fear to you. They get stolen out of your bedroom, where you stashed it to protect yourself against somebody who didn't have one till they got yours. in other words, just as california has proved, if you take away the legal guns, you take away the illegal guns. stop believing the lies of the NRA, they just want to sell you more fucking guns! the bias is brutally obvious...

what you are saying is stupid. look at california's experience, and then you will find that gun ownership is not a rule of physics, it is a privilege that has been too long abused, and can be easily taken away.

California is one place, and 10 years is a very short time. Gang violence is down because of some guy whose name I forgot, who structured various types of police crackdowns in strategic areas. Guns are down because police are up, and police function with guns. Not all of the effective methods involved guns (many involved rehab and churches), and L.A. in particular has been doing well lately. MacArthur Park is down from, what, hundreds of murders every year to a good 4-5 years with none at all? (Except for that extortion shooting recently.) But guns in the world society are a constant, and they'll come back to L.A., too. We get guns smuggled in from other countries, and other countries don't want us happy and functional. It's an endless cycle.

The part that's wishful thinking is that you would need every single person in America to agree to it. Everyone. If they didn't agree, you would need guns to take guns. Then other countries would interfere, and the people who took the guns would still need guns. So, in effect, everyone in the world would need to agree.

guns are not down because of police. that is not the case. guns are down because they stopped selling them and they stopped issuing permits, and so they literally dried up. I already told you, I plead the Fifth Ammendment on this, so you either take my word for it or not, but guns on the street are much harder to come by today then they were 5 years ago, and five years ago, they were much harder the get then they were ten. It is harder to steal a crate of glocks from the train yards if there are none there to steal. It is harder to steal guns from the gun shop if there are not gun shops around. it is harder to break into some good ol american gun nuts house and steal a dozen of his three hundred hangun collection if that asshole doesnt own the fucking guns to begin with, and these combined are how guns are dissappearing from the streets of California, and as a result, why gun violence is down. gang violence is not down, just gun violence, there is a difference.

its not wishful thinking to stop selling guns to people, it is the reality of many places in america, and if it is the reality in one place, it proves it can be the reality of another. if cali can stop selling guns and the streets not just take over, then so can michigan.

California Handgun Sales:

Year Handgun Sales

2001 155,203
2000 201,865
1999 244,569
1998 189,481
1997 204,409
1996 215,804
1995 254,626
1994 382,085
1993 433,822
1992 382,122
1991 329,133
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1990 330,295*
1989 333,069
1988 291,171
1987 273,628
1986 266,480
1985 293,624
1984 275,882
1983 268,462
1982 311,870
1981 371,160
1980 325,041
1979 268,447
1978 258,485
1977 225,412
1976 204,658
1975 231,916
1974 234,691
1973 192,108
1972 190,335




More Than 30,000 Firearms Last YearFor Immediate Release:
06-17-2008


Washington, D.C. - Gun dealers “lost” an average of at least 82 firearms every day last year, totaling more than 30,000 firearms unaccounted for in gun dealers’ inventory in fiscal year 2007, according to a Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence analysis of new data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) released this month.

Firearms that “disappear” from gun shops with no record of sale are frequently trafficked by gun traffickers and prized by criminals because the guns are virtually untraceable. Corrupt gun dealers also attempt to disguise illegal off-the-book sales by claiming that the firearms were lost or stolen.

“Communities across our nation can’t afford to have corrupt gun dealers failing to account for more than 30,000 firearms - that is a deadly recipe for more gun deaths and injuries,” said Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence President Paul Helmke. “Gun dealers are licensed by the Federal government. With that license comes the responsibility to follow sound business practices to help ensure that dangerous weapons don’t get into the hands of dangerous criminals.”

The 30,000 missing guns are likely an undercount of the total number of guns that disappeared from gun shops last year. ATF conducted compliance inspections at approximately 10,000 of the nation’s 60,000 gun dealers in fiscal year 2007, finding over 30,000 firearms missing from the dealers’ inventory with no record of sale. The other 50,000 dealers were not inspected last year due to limited ATF resources. In fiscal year 2005, ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 missing firearms.

Weak federal gun laws allow gun dealers to operate without any security or inventory controls. In 2001, ATF proposed that gun dealers be required to take one physical inventory of their firearms each year to ensure that all firearms were accounted for in their shops. At the behest of the gun lobby, Congress approved an appropriations provision in 2004 put forward by Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS), blocking ATF from implementing that ATF proposal - and that prohibition remains the law.

What happened when alcohol was prohibited in the 20s? It fucking blew up and made bootlegging the business to be. What happened when drugs were outlawed? It started drug wars. What happens if guns are outlawed? A hot market that's bigger than ever and another thing to fight over.

I could get a gun tonight if I wanted (and I don't own one, never have), and you can plead the fifth but you know you could, too. Guns are around, even in L.A. The people who want them can get them as well as we can.

dude, are you fucking kidding yourself or just blind? Guns are continually down in california, and they have not increased on the street, and gun violence has not increased. further your argument is not valid, drugs and alcohol get you high and these are things people want to do. guns hurt people, and so they have far less univeral appeal then do drugs.

it wasn't that I couldn't get a gun, it is that I couldn't get a gun as easily, and that being said, is why gun violence is down, because people literally have to think twice about it, and most of the time you are about to shoot somebody, thinking twice solves the problem without violence , because usually, if you are going to shoot somebody you are not thinking to begin with. be oblivious all you want, but I live in a state, county and city that is a million times safer because they got rid of all the fucking gun shops. I can say this as a fact. we have far fewer gunshops in California for guns to go missing as the article above..

that's more my style. if there was a desert anywhere near me. i have no reason to own a gun really because i could easily beat someone's ass without it.

when i used to live near woods i would go out into the woods and stack beer cans and shit like that up in little pyramids and shoot at those. usually with a BB gun though.

I always felt that the second amendment was put in place so that if the government got too powerful, evil, and oppressive the people would have the means to protect themselves. And for that reasoning, I'm ok with it.


Also, I'd much rather be shot than stabbed, so I'm ok with guns.

ha!

The US is a beautiful place.
but selling guns to civilians is ludicrous
stop this shit please
M;Moore help us please

You're all a bunch of hippies.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... and I naively thought it was just the ultra-rednecks that loved their guns. Say, is it really really true that over there in the US of A you can get a free hand-gun at any 'bodega' with any purchase of a six-pack and pork rinds?

Fuck man, if you think you can defend yourself against the armed forces with even the most ridiculously powerful guns on todays market.... :rolleyes:

Technically the second amendment is incredibly outdated. But I do think it does some good. A lot of people up north still hunt, and what are the chances you come along an angry bear? Pretty damn high from where I come from. Or a mountain lion, or a moose, anyway you get the picture. Maybe in huge cities they should be heavily regulated but plenty of places still use them for the right reason.

Police in the UK aren't allowed to have guns.

But handguns are illegal here so it's not needed.

educational.....

Well, hash is illegal, but I bet you have that.

Wonder how many illegal guns are in the UK? Someone look it up. Quick!

How 'bout some restrictions? Why is the debate always: tons of guns for everyone vs. none for no one? How about:

-mandatory firearm training? A month, at least.
-criminal record for violent offense? ever? sorry, no gun.
-Guns must be purchased through liscenced, regulated gun stores only. No more of this "stop at Wal Mart for some diapers and a semi-auto" shit.
-Underaged kids can get guns at gun shows. Adios gun shows.

Add your own reasonable restriction to the list.

shootin' guns is fuunnnnnn.

that's bullshit, there's only hunting guns in walmart.

they don't even sell handguns-- i was looking for one the other day.

o, wait-- apparently i'm just unlucky

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12316692/

the iraqis seem to be doing a kickass job at that though...