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demonrail666 06.09.2008 07:49 AM

New York
 
This thread is thought of largely as a companion to n'ik's 'London' one. I've been to New York and loved it, and wouldn't mind living there for a bit one day. As a city it seems to generate as many extreme views as London, so just wondered what others here thought of it.

Toilet & Bowels 06.09.2008 08:16 AM

i've been a couple of times, i'd love to live there one day too, but i don't really think there's much possibility of that actually happening.

demonrail666 06.09.2008 08:44 AM

ditto. In many ways I prefer it to London - more manageable scale, FAR better food, generally cheaper. I'd like to teach there, but the competition for jobs there seems even higher than it is here.

luisxvi 06.09.2008 08:44 AM

Its a pretty cool place but on a par with london in regards to expense.

mangajunky 06.09.2008 08:56 AM

After growing up right here, I feel spoiled. I hate to spout cliches, but No other city has as much variety. There is something for everyone.
There are a ton of great museums. The music scene is one of the best anywhere. There is such a variety of dining choices from down and dirty to extremely high end. Just don't try to live in the city and own a car unless you are very wealthy.

Employment wise you don't even need a college degree to get a decent job, you just have to be motivated. Employers here seem to appreciate intelligence and moxie more than a piece of paper. (although a college degree will help)


I love NYC. There is very little bullshit. People tell you what they really think and we don't "do lunch" we just do.

blunderbuss 06.09.2008 08:57 AM

I had the chance to move to New York about twelve years ago when I handed in my resignation at a job and they were so desperate to keep me that they said that I could work in any of their offices of my choice, anywhere in the world. I seriously considered NY, but ultimately didn't have the confidence to emigrate.

In retrospect I probably made the right decision, but I do love the place for a few days at a time.

PAULYBEE2656 06.09.2008 09:34 AM

never been to nyc.. will be at some stage tho.. just one of those places i have to see along with montecarlo and paris.

batreleaser 06.09.2008 10:26 AM

i go to nyc all the time. my uncle's partner is geffrey sellers, who is one of the 3 producers of 'rent, as well as many other successful plays. obviously theyure rich. my uncle has a guest apartment on then upper east side where i stay as much as possible. the prices these days though are getting absurd. i remember i was at this little punk clothing shop on bowery street and they had all these old concert shirts. i picked up a crass, butthole surfers, mayhem, and nausea shirt. these things were beat the fuck up, holes and shit. at the counter, the dudes like, ok, thatll be 600 dollars please. i was like are you fucking kidding me. no one who listens to this music woulad actually pay that prices, just trendy hipsters who want something to match their new vintage leahter.

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 10:33 AM

i love living there. my favourite city in the world.
i will never live anywhere else (in the US)

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 10:40 AM

i have gone to ny pretty much yearly since i have been like two years old, needless to say i love it.

i too would love living there, but not for too long, for some reason i don't see myself becoming a new yorker so to speak.

but yeah, i love that you can walk anywhere in the city, love the diversity, the record stores and yeah most people are pretty cool. i once almost got my ass beat at other music for looking at some guy's copy of sparks' kimono my house, though.

mangajunky 06.09.2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
i once almost got my ass beat at other music for looking at some guy's copy of sparks' kimono my house, though.


Why would someone get so pissed off that they'd want to fight you over that?

demonrail666 06.09.2008 10:45 AM

It is an incredibly seductive city. London is much more of a slow release (although I think ultimately more fulfilling) than New York's sheer in-your-faceness. The one thing I can't say about it is what it'd be like there without much money. When I've been there I've always had a lot of money with me, so the city has been something of a playground for me - providing a welcome escape from the harsh realities of London. I love it, but do wonder how much I'd like it quite as much if i was broke while I was there. Saying that, I don't care how much money I have when I'm in Paris, it always bores me.

The one thing NYC would have over London if you were broke is that you could still get around. Without money for the tube, London is pretty much reduced to whichever little pocket of it you happen to live in. Depending on where that pocket is, you can easily forget you're actually in London when stuck in a single part of it.

uhler 06.09.2008 11:13 AM

my favorite place in the world and that's why i'm moving there in exactly two weeks now. i'm scared about not finding a job but everyone says it's actually pretty easy especially if you have cooking or serving expierence like myself. going to school up there is expensive especially with the out of state tuition added on.

you can easily find a 500-600 dollar a month room in brooklyn. it's expensive there, but if you find a job you'll be able to get by.

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mangajunky
Why would someone get so pissed off that they'd want to fight you over that?


i'd like to know that myself!

there was a crate of albums on the floor and the cover of the first record there seemed familiar, so i ducked to have a better look (the crate was not at reaching distance though), recognized it was the sparks album and went to the door as i was already leaving. this hand reached for my shoulder and yelled "HEY!!!" really loud and this black guy, a good two heads taller than me starts yelling at me "why did you do that?" "what?" "you were looking at my record!" "what record?" "that one" *points at crate* "sorry, i didn't know it was yours, i just looked at it" "why did you do that?"

i then spent the next 3 minutes saying "sorry" until the guy let me go.

my only explanation is that it is new york after all.

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhler
my favorite place in the world and that's why i'm moving there in exactly two weeks now. i'm scared about not finding a job but everyone says it's actually pretty easy especially if you have cooking or serving expierence like myself. going to school up there is expensive especially with the out of state tuition added on.

you can easily find a 500-600 dollar a month room in brooklyn. it's expensive there, but if you find a job you'll be able to get by.

it's cool, i've always been able to find a waitressing job and made decent money and if you know where to look and everything you can find a reasonably priced apt. in manhattan. i had about 1200 sq. feet on the lower east side for something like $1600/month.

uhler 06.09.2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
it's cool, i've always been able to find a waitressing job and made decent money and if you know where to look and everything you can find a reasonably priced apt. in manhattan. i had about 1200 sq. feet on the lower east side for something like $1600/month.


that is a good price especially for manhatten. i would need at least 2 other roommates before i could afford something like that at this point.

Toilet & Bowels 06.09.2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
i'd like to know that myself!

there was a crate of albums on the floor and the cover of the first record there seemed familiar, so i ducked to have a better look (the crate was not at reaching distance though), recognized it was the sparks album and went to the door as i was already leaving. this hand reached for my shoulder and yelled "HEY!!!" really loud and this black guy, a good two heads taller than me starts yelling at me "why did you do that?" "what?" "you were looking at my record!" "what record?" "that one" *points at crate* "sorry, i didn't know it was yours, i just looked at it" "why did you do that?"

i then spent the next 3 minutes saying "sorry" until the guy let me go.

my only explanation is that it is new york after all.


isn't looking at a dj's records a big faux pas though?

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhler
that is a good price especially for manhatten. i would need at least 2 other roommates before i could afford something like that at this point.

well i'm living with another person so at the time it was two incomes
i got lucky though and now i don't work and i don't pay rent either

demonrail666 06.09.2008 11:48 AM

That's weird. My memory of New Yorkers was that they were incredibly friendly. Saying that, they seemed to like the fact I was English and often passed sly remarks about people from other US states or cities. One guy I met, who seemed like an absolute cunt to everyone around him, was buying me drinks all night and telling me The Fall were the greatest thing in the world.
For British people, NYC can be a total ego-boost, but I get the feeling people from other parts of America might witness a bit more hostility.

A great anecdote. I was in a bar in Alphabet City last year when a woman told me about a guy that comes in and tries to hit on the girls there by faking a British accent and dressing in Fred Perry polo shirts, etc. She was really hoping he was gonna be in that night because, her words not mine, 'he's an asshole and he's TOTALLY gonna hate you.' Apparantly he was from San Francisco but went to college in the UK and came back thinking he was Damon Albarn or someone. Either way, he never showed and I got hit on by three women during the course of that night. God bless NY is all I'll say.

mangajunky 06.09.2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

A great anecdote. I was in a bar in Alphabet City last year when a woman told me about a guy that comes in and tries to hit on the girls there by faking a British accent and dressing in Fred Perry polo shirts, etc.


That's frikkin hilarious. I would LOVE for some of the ex-pats that I ride with to bump into this poseur.

PS - Post #666 w00t!!

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantankerous
it's cool, i've always been able to find a waitressing job and made decent money and if you know where to look and everything you can find a reasonably priced apt. in manhattan. i had about 1200 sq. feet on the lower east side for something like $1600/month.


I can put you in a 5 bedroom, 4 bath, 3000 square foot house with a pool and a jacuzzi and a 3 car garage and all new appliances 1/3 of an acre for $1600/month in houston

Everyneurotic 06.09.2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
isn't looking at a dj's records a big faux pas though?


i think i heard about that, but that crate was at a record store, so...

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whenever i'm in ny i always get stopped and complimented on my shirts. last year, a lady of about 40 told me how she loves flipper at the barnes & noble across the street from st. marks.

sarramkrop 06.09.2008 12:12 PM

Didn't we have 5000 threads about London and New York already? Not everyone who posts on this forum lives in either city.

Toilet & Bowels 06.09.2008 12:15 PM

and that's why they need to know what it's like

demonrail666 06.09.2008 12:16 PM

Sarramkrop^^True, but a good few of those that don't seem interested in either living in, or at least visiting them.

sarramkrop 06.09.2008 12:17 PM

Oh ok, then.

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 12:31 PM

my memories of NYC (I last visited there when I was aged 6-7)

my uncles brownstone

the statue of liberty and taking the ferry

going to the top of the world trade center, staring down holding my glasses so they would not fall off my face, and making and throwing a paper airplane off the top, which I lost view of around 30 stories down.

The Rockettes

demonrail666 06.09.2008 01:06 PM

When I was growing up, NY (more specifically Manhattan) seemed like the most exciting place in the world. It was where Spiderman lived and King Kong went on the rampage. I learnt the names of all the districts as a kid by watching films like The Warriors and listening to Grandmaster Flash records. I imagined that every person in the city looked like either Travis Bickle, a Warhol superstar or Eric B. Even watching TV shows like Taxi fuelled my obsession with the city. I'm sure a large part of why Sonic Youth meant so much to me at that time was as much to do with their being from NY as it was their music. I remember finally getting there and stumbling across Eldridge St and getting this weird thrill of finally seeing a place I'd once fantasised about.

I was brought up in the arse end of East London, where absolutely nothing was happening whatsoever at the time - and isn't still to this day. NY became this mythical place for me. I read an interview with Antony from Antony and the Johnsons recently where he said that finally arriving in NY after years of obsessing over it, he felt like he made sense. This is exactly how I felt when i stepped off the bus at Grand Central Station. It's very hard to describe, but all I can say is that I felt totally at ease with myself, maybe for the first time in my life. In sexual terms it's like I 'came out', only to have to get back into the closet on my return to London.

I know this all sounds rather melodramatic, and it probably is, but it's probably the most honest thing I've ever posted here, so fuck it.

Rob Instigator 06.09.2008 01:08 PM

that's a great thing man.

mangajunky 06.09.2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
This is exactly how I felt when i stepped off the bus at Grand Central Station.


pssst - Port Authority Bus Terminal - Grand Central is a train terminal.

uhler 06.09.2008 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
When I was growing up, NY (more specifically Manhattan) seemed like the most exciting place in the world. It was where Spiderman lived and King Kong went on the rampage. I learnt the names of all the districts as a kid by watching films like The Warriors and listening to Grandmaster Flash records. I imagined that every person in the city looked like either Travis Bickle, a Warhol superstar or Eric B. Even watching TV shows like Taxi fuelled my obsession with the city. I'm sure a large part of why Sonic Youth meant so much to me at that time was as much to do with their being from NY as it was their music. I remember finally getting there and stumbling across Eldridge St and getting this weird thrill of finally seeing a place I'd once fantasised about.

I was brought up in the arse end of East London, where absolutely nothing was happening whatsoever at the time - and isn't still to this day. NY became this mythical place for me. I read an interview with Antony from Antony and the Johnsons recently where he said that finally arriving in NY after years of obsessing over it, he felt like he made sense. This is exactly how I felt when i stepped off the bus at Grand Central Station. It's very hard to describe, but all I can say is that I felt totally at ease with myself, maybe for the first time in my life. In sexual terms it's like I 'came out', only to have to get back into the closet on my return to London.

I know this all sounds rather melodramatic, and it probably is, but it's probably the most honest thing I've ever posted here, so fuck it.


being from florida, that's how i felt. when my best friend moved up there i didn't bother seeing her until new years. i always dreamed about living in nyc (or portland) but i never thought i would. it wasn't until i went up there and saw brooklyn that i knew i had to move up there as fast as possible.

demonrail666 06.09.2008 01:17 PM

Mangajunky^^Yeah, I know but I got this shuttle bus from JFK which stopped right outside Grand Central. All the other buses were going to Port Authority but I needed to get to East 17th Street and some guy pointed me to a bus that'd take me closer by stopping outside Grand Central.

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I can put you in a 5 bedroom, 4 bath, 3000 square foot house with a pool and a jacuzzi and a 3 car garage and all new appliances 1/3 of an acre for $1600/month in houston

my apartment, which i do not pay rent on, is 2500 square feet (and half empty because i don't have enough shit to put in it)

anyway as far as living elsewhere in the US i would kind of like to check out minneapolis (don't ask me why but i like the midwest) or olympia, wa because i kinda miss living in a big old house, but you can't get anywhere living in st. louis (which is where i'm from, unfortunately) so i don't want to live there.

tesla69 06.09.2008 01:21 PM

something to consider when visiting
 
something to consider

many of those little restaurants don't have mechanical dishwashers, they do it by hand, and probably don't even use hot water in order to save money.

Health Dept: Quarter of NYC Residents Have Herpes


NEW YORK (AP) -- A city Health Department study finds that more than a fourth of adult New Yorkers are infected with the virus that causes genital herpes.
The study, released Monday, says about 26 percent of New York City adults have genital herpes, compared to about 19 percent nationwide.
The department says genital herpes can double a person's risk for contracting HIV.
Herpes can cause painful sores, but most people have no recognizable symptoms.
Among New Yorkers, the herpes rate is higher among women, black people and gay men.
The health department urges consistent use of condoms, and says its STD clinics offer free, confidential herpes testing.

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
something to consider

many of those little restaurants don't have mechanical dishwashers, they do it by hand, and probably don't even use hot water in order to save money.
.

having worked in many, i can tell you that this is true

!@#$%! 06.09.2008 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I can put you in a 5 bedroom, 4 bath, 3000 square foot house with a pool and a jacuzzi and a 3 car garage and all new appliances 1/3 of an acre for $1600/month in houston


yeah but it's frikkin texas! :(

demonrail666 06.09.2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhler
being from florida, that's how i felt. when my best friend moved up there i didn't bother seeing her until new years. i always dreamed about living in nyc (or portland) but i never thought i would. it wasn't until i went up there and saw brooklyn that i knew i had to move up there as fast as possible.


Because of my childhood obsession with The Warriors i took the subway across Brooklyn to Coney Island just so I could see the Wonderwheel. I think I might've been the only person in the world that got such a thrill from visiting a closed fairground (it was mid-January.) It was a bit embarrasing coming back and showing people photos, and repeatedly being asked why I had about a dozen pictures of a ferris wheel.

uhler 06.09.2008 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
something to consider

many of those little restaurants don't have mechanical dishwashers, they do it by hand, and probably don't even use hot water in order to save money.

Health Dept: Quarter of NYC Residents Have Herpes


NEW YORK (AP) -- A city Health Department study finds that more than a fourth of adult New Yorkers are infected with the virus that causes genital herpes.
The study, released Monday, says about 26 percent of New York City adults have genital herpes, compared to about 19 percent nationwide.
The department says genital herpes can double a person's risk for contracting HIV.
Herpes can cause painful sores, but most people have no recognizable symptoms.
Among New Yorkers, the herpes rate is higher among women, black people and gay men.
The health department urges consistent use of condoms, and says its STD clinics offer free, confidential herpes testing.


that's why i would rather not dishwash unless i really needed a job.

mangajunky 06.09.2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
Mangajunky^^Yeah, I know but I got this shuttle bus from JFK which stopped right outside Grand Central. All the other buses were going to Port Authority but I needed to get to East 17th Street and some guy pointed me to a bus that'd take me closer by stopping outside Grand Central.


Grand Central is a way better first impression.

Cantankerous 06.09.2008 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mangajunky
Grand Central is a way better first impression.

i love the ceiling in there

i kind of want a tattoo of the pisces thing from the ceiling


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