Do you find independent women attractive?
 

I was listening to a radio show this morning, and they were claiming that a majority of men were intimidated by women that asserted their independence; most men subconsciously subscribed to the "neanderthal" ideology that they should be the providers, and intellectually/socioeconomically dominant. Your thoughts?

you mean, like Juno?

the majority of men are sad cunts.

smart, independent women = hot.

Independence is one of the most attractive qualities in a woman.
Then again, I am a very poor "provider."

I think it's more complicated than the radio show made it sound, though. There are independent women, and then there are the fiercely 'feminist' women that are rather aggressive about their self-sufficiency, and use it as a form of currency. Those women annoy me, frankly. I think independence/individuality speaks for itself, through actions and attitude, and doesn't need to be asserted to gain something or create a certain persona.

In short, I dig independence, but aggressive feminists are irritating cunts.

kick them in the teeth. i'll help.

She was being foolish and impractical. But very cute and likeable. I liked her green jacket.

Carry on.

Independence is best asserted independently.

Wow. Astounding eloquence.

that's the only kind of women i like. i'm not into women that need to be with someone at all times and are clingy.

my last girlfriend was very independent and that's what attracted me to her the most.

the ones i hate are the ones with some sort of shit to prove-- usually to cover their insecurities. women who are really independent don't go around trying to be all macho.

anyway i gotta go have lunch.

I like women that have a sense of their self, yes. I guess this is why I'm into artistic or intellectual women for the most part. Unfortunately these kinds of women usually have prospects lined up outside their door. Some even prefer dumber, more malleable guys over intelligent fellows like myself.

Anyways I never really meet many feminazis, just friends that either get confused when I'm sarcastically mock traditional patriarchal sloganeering or they over scrutinize a comment to make it a gender issue when it really isn't. Like one time I told my feminist friend that I noticed that scientists whom I've met fall into two categories; the passionate reveler or the apathetic measurer. Unfortunately I used female examples from my life to illustrate both and she thought I was confining women to either feminist revolutionaries or apathetic victims.

You illustrated my point well, pbradley. I'm going to steal "feminazis" from you.

He stole it from Rush Limbaugh.

Since I stole it from kegmama, be my guest.

But I loathe not being myself. I can't act for shit. And I know intellectualism is a turn on because a) it turns me on and b) most of my flings have began as intellectual curiosity.

everybody is different, and likes different things.

did you guys ever see the decline of the american empire? intellect + sex. i fucking looooooooove that movie.

and on a side note-- my mouth stinks of garlic. i had a nice lunch.

independent women are great. I think sometimes it is more difficult to convince them to dress up as treasure trolls for ogre invasion roleplay, but other than that they're great.

DRIVEN women are the best though. those that are just pure feminine hunters going through life. probably toughest sort of relationship to maintain if you're also very driven, but wow i bet the highs are uncontestable.

dtriven women will drop you lik a bad bean pie if you do not keep up or get in the way, whih is bound to happen.

i feel i'm driven enough to be up to the contest. maybe i'm the one dropping them

the point i'm trying to make is the potential for total, maximum passion.

I'm not sure what an independent woman is. I suppose independence in men and women can be intimidating. I think everyone is independent when it comes down to it .

Basically I look for a girl that is not hesitant to tell me that I'm full of shit and will laugh at my pretentious witticisms.

I like you already, but I'm not coming on to you.

This is the Sonic Youth board. Most of the men here had their first masturbation fantasy dreaming of Kim Gordon beating them into submission.

Oh god yes, I love independent women.

Boys go to jupiter to get more stupider/Girls go to mars, become rock stars

*changes pants*

Re: deadair
haha I don't know about that, at least not for me. i'm talking about equality in ferocity.

interesting point though

Well, that ought to redeem them for not doing the washing up then, oughtn't it?

I'm here all week, folks.

But in all seriousness, is there some elemental part of you that enjoys rescuing proverbial damsels in distress? Some aspect of your being, however tiny or suppressed, that wants to feel needed? The radio show folk unanimously agreed that everyone wants to feel needed to a degree, and I suspect there may be some truth to that, regardless of gender.

Excepting me, of course. I am far too lazy and narcissistic to take responsibility for others.

I don't care for damsels or distress.
Women just enjoy labels.I think that's the problem. Why do they have to be 'independent women'. Why not just be a 'woman' and get on with it. You never hear anyone saying do you like 'independent men'? It's all rather pathetic. I suppose it's all a part of a dress up mentality,left over from a girls childhood, or something.

Let's ask Carl Jung!

Or maybe it is because that women have traditionally been cast as support for men since long before the 50's and despite all the feminist rhetoric the mentality still exists? I know a number of women that have decided to do the whole marriage, pregnancy, house wife thing in their twenties. A lot women I know still wait for men to ask them out instead of asking the men out.

When you treat a woman like a woman (traditionally speaking) they complain. When you don't, they complain. The common denominator is?

What do you mean treated like a woman?

i wished that film was a slasher movie so all the characters would get killed

You know, slapping them around and passing them up for promotions.

I believe I explained. But just you.When one is 'chivalrous'.


I knew someone would say that.