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k-krack 08.01.2007 11:16 PM

Tape duplication at home...?
 
This is a question for all you tape fanatics. How do you duplicate a tape? Do you have to like.. literally record the entire length onto a tape? Or is there some less tedious, less risky/sound ravaging then this?
Thanks.

finding nobody 08.01.2007 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swa(y)
ive just always used a dual tape deck and hit record. not too tedious.

im sure there are better ways, but somtimes better ways are more expensive.

same here. I do it often.. making tapes and everything

k-krack 08.01.2007 11:39 PM

Ok, so just record and record and record? Cool.
Thanks dudes.

krastian 08.02.2007 12:03 AM

^You really showed your age in this thread, kiddo!!!:D

k-krack 08.02.2007 12:11 AM

Dude, I've only come of age in the '00s!
Consider it a miracle I prefer vinyl and am making tapes to give to friends and a band!'

Plus, that's ther way I figured one would have to go about doing it, I was just curious if there was some easier way.

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 03:38 AM

I've been recording quite a lot on cassettes lately.

Question: Is there a way of getting rid or minimalizing the hiss you get, when recording on tape?
Anyone?

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 03:46 AM

I don't mind it either, but it's a little to much on the recordings I've been doing. Have tried putting the recording level down which helps, but that takes out the umf when I listen to it afterwards.

Norma J 08.02.2007 03:55 AM

You don't want tape hiss?
Or there's an excessive amount of hiss?

phoenix 08.02.2007 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-krack
This is a question for all you tape fanatics. How do you duplicate a tape? Do you have to like.. literally record the entire length onto a tape? Or is there some less tedious, less risky/sound ravaging then this?
Thanks.



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Tokolosh 08.02.2007 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norma J
You don't want tape hiss?
Or there's an excessive amount of hiss?


There's an excessive amount.
Maybe it's got something to do with the cables between the sampler and recorded or the type of tapes I'm using?

sarramkrop 08.02.2007 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
I've been recording quite a lot on cassettes lately.

Question: Is there a way of getting rid or minimalizing the hiss you get, when recording on tape?
Anyone?


Some old hi-fi systems used to have the dolby A-B function for that. You can always pour the content of the tape onto some software, and do it using the the hiss reduction function on them.

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 04:36 AM

I've got a relatively new (5-6 year old) stand alone double tape deck that has the dolby A-B function you speak of.
Tried both and still, way too much hiss.
Putting it through software won't get me anywhere, 'cause I want to have it on tape eventually.

nicfit 08.02.2007 04:42 AM

or put some noise reduction kinda device between the "playing" system and the "recording" deck.

sarramkrop 08.02.2007 04:42 AM

You can re-record the results onto tape.

 

nicfit 08.02.2007 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
You can re-record the results onto tape.


 

yeah but I suppose toko's "problem" appears WHEN he records to tape, not just in the original sample..dunno...

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 05:00 AM

My tracks are crystal clear till I put them on tape. Hissssssssssssssss!

 

nicfit 08.02.2007 05:03 AM

What's that, an Albino Cave Cobra??
BTW, ha, I was right!

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 06:08 AM

Thanks for the tips Mr Peltor.
Hmm, it's going to be tough finding a tape cleaner at the local store these days.

atsonicpark 08.02.2007 07:48 AM

i have tons of tapes. sony and maxell brand. high quality! you can get like packs for 5 for $1 or $2 at most stores. always handy to have around.

one day in the next few years there will be no more tapes left. preserve them...

mellonmellow 08.02.2007 07:51 AM

Are there any practical reasons for tapes over CDs and MP3s? I'm not "playa-hatin," but I would just like to know. :)

phoenix 08.02.2007 07:53 AM

I dig tapes from japan. I have no idea if they still sell them over there but I used to have a japanese pen pall. She sent me a mix tape and the tape it self was so awesome. and in this rubbery slidey cover.

japanese have awesome stuff.

atsonicpark 08.02.2007 08:01 AM

there's no "practical" reason, i suppose, but tapes sound cool. they are very warm and fuzzy sounding and... i dunno... they just have a cool sound to 'em. i love making mix tapes and relistening to them. making my own remixes/edits/cuts for in-between song segues and whatnot. fun.

and yes. japan is ridiculous. especially with video games.. when video games are released there, it's like a religious holiday.. all the castlevania games that come out come with art books and cd's and shit... god damn..

tesla69 08.02.2007 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
B - try switching from a "normal" bias tape to a "high" bias tape.


This should be the easiest trick to significantly reduce tape hiss, at the very least trackdown some chrome tapes, I tried to find some of the next quality level tapes above regular chrome this past spring when my DAT was busted (TDK SAX, Maxell XL2S) without any luck...probably could've found some old stashes on Canal Street.

I never seemed to see much use for it but your system might not be well grounded and the tape heads need to be demagnetized. You can certainly buy that shit off the net if not locally.

I can't recommend Dolby too much, if you've ever used an equalizer you can hear how much of the good sound just gets chopped off.

If you have unlimited funds hunt down a used Nakamichi home deck. They will be like Hudson motor cars, there will always be someone to repair them.

terminal pharmacy 08.02.2007 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
I've got a relatively new (5-6 year old) stand alone double tape deck that has the dolby A-B function you speak of.
Tried both and still, way too much hiss.
Putting it through software won't get me anywhere, 'cause I want to have it on tape eventually.


are you using the right kind of cassettes for your decks, if you are using crome tapes and your tape machine doesn't have a crome switch, that will cause extra noise, also same with metal tapes etc. amp and speakers could also be making the problem worse than it actually is if you have some speaker hiss present at all times. the dolby options are on the machine and don't remove an audible amount then there isn't much you can do. clean the heads of your machine. were the tapes fresh or used. what is the bran and model number of your deck?

and here is some good info from a well know engineer and author http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996...html?print=yes

Tokolosh 08.02.2007 10:03 AM

Thanks for the info terminal pharmacy.
I bought brand new Maxell 90 min tapes. Couldn't find 60 min ones.
The deck's Sony (double). Can't remember the model number. I'll check when I get home.

Tokolosh 08.06.2007 08:50 AM

Does anyone know where I can buy a box of 60 min blank tapes (without labels) in Europe?
Prefably in different colours.

Thanks.

jico. 08.06.2007 08:57 AM

there's a nice store on ebay.
tapeline

Tokolosh 08.06.2007 09:21 AM

Thanks a lot jico. That's exactly what I was looking for.

finding nobody 08.06.2007 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atsonicpark
there's no "practical" reason, i suppose, but tapes sound cool. they are very warm and fuzzy sounding and... i dunno... they just have a cool sound to 'em. i love making mix tapes and relistening to them. making my own remixes/edits/cuts for in-between song segues and whatnot. fun.

Also: making mix tapes is so much better then mix cds. You really gotta put some love into a tape man.

saoq 08.06.2007 12:53 PM

i love it how tape traders had this strict police against using noise reduction.
tapes r good for the warmth. also it's more fun to make than a cdr on Nero.

tesla69 08.07.2007 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saoq
i love it how tape traders had this strict police against using noise reduction.
.


If you have ever done a with/without comparison you would insist on no dolby.

Its why wise traders now refuse to have anything to do with MP3's and downloading.

terminal pharmacy 08.07.2007 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
If you have ever done a with/without comparison you would insist on no dolby.

Its why wise traders now refuse to have anything to do with MP3's and downloading.


you guys are so retro, depends if you have done an a/b with an proper outboard noise reduction unit.


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