Are you a rocker, or a rock and roller?
 

There's a difference. I think of rockers as more into stuff that evolved from rock and roll, especially that which maybe could be argued doesn't swing as much as rock and roll. I'm not sure I quite have my head around this enough to cite examples... Okay, here goes... Keith Richards, rock and roller... Thurston Moore, rocker... The Stooges, rock and roll... Pixies, rock...

What do you think?

which would be the closest to "goth".

I'm soooo goth.

We debated this once before, the difference between "rock" and "rock & roll," but I can't be bothered to find it. Suffice it to say it got ugly, and no intelligent conclusions were reached anyhow.

I personally don't give a shit what the rest of you listen to, anyhow.

I'm having a twilight zone moment.

which message board have you been reading that DOES reach intelligent conclusions????

link me or it didn't happen! :eek:

There's not too much rolling in my rock.

But the stoned keeps rolling!!

I'm so 'indie', man.

I guess I'm not too invested in debating the difference. I think I know the difference, and to me, it's pretty clear. I'm just curious how others think of themselves--predisposed to be rockers or rockandrollers.

I am a rocker

Rocker - A person who takes rock music more seriously than it should be. Generally someone who grows into thinking that everything rocks, even when it's plain evident that they can't even catch up with the payments they need to make in order to support the numerous prole they spawned in the name of thinking that rock & roll would take care of reality.


Rock & Roller - He who is into the fun to be had with it, both while playing it or just listening to it. Generally this person will also make 'wrong' choices, but they are still determined that for as long as they keep any emotional detachment with whoever wants to spoil their fun, everything will be ok. It's a trait of this people to also act extravagant in a way that is contagious, rather than tedious or narrow minded.

I'd say I'm more rock 'n' roll. I'm really into the old rock thing lately.

Out of the choices of rocker and rock n roller, definitely he latter for me.

Rock = pompous.
RnR = fun.

That's my definition.

I'm a Rock'n'Roller

I really have no problem with pompous.

Me neither. It's kind of a plus in a rocker.

There can be crossover though: a rock n roller can be fun and pompous, but a rocker can only be pompous.

I'm just writing words that come into my head now, you understand. No fully formed theories to be found here.

I'm an indie wanker, probably.

Honestly, this is one of the best definitions i've heard of either.

You must spread some Elvis bootlegs around before giving it to sarramkrop again.

It all comes down to genes. Gene Vincent and Gene Simmons. To be a guy called Gene, you'd have to be a total rock n roller.

Think about it, the three ultimate symbols of boring ol' rock were called Jim: Hendrix, Page and Morrisson.

Gene or Jim. It's as simple as that.

I'm a little bit country. My brother is a little bit rock and roll.

Is your brother called Gene?

No.

YOu've got to be making a joke. Gene Simmons?! Fucking "rock 'n' roll?!" Dude was a total fucking pompous cunt. There was nothing rock 'n' roll about the prick. He is simply an enormous sellout. As for Hendrix, Page and Morrisson - they were all fantastic at what they do, and all more 'rock 'n' roll' than motherfucking Gene Simmons.

Completely wrong. COMPLETELY!

Rock n Roll (and thus good):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zfNZlUovRuA

Rock (and thus VERY bad):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mmNAB9WekwI

Sorry, when I plug in my ol' guit I think to myself "let's fucking rock" not "rock 'n roll." In fact, I still don't understand this rock/rock 'n roll distinction. The Stooges are rock 'n roll? Raw Power is the definitive rock album, if you ask me.

Im unreconstructed indie scum and i dont give a toss.

like this?

m'afraid not. sounds like fun, but who'd wanna drive a gas guzzler?

I am hip hop

There 's another crucial thing that differentiate the rocker from the rock & roller: The fact that the rocker will try to communicate something deep in an officious kind of way, while the rock & roller will throw the message in, while the fun is still going on.


Rocker example: Lou Reed since Street Hassle has been the way too self-conscious rocker who's pompous and dull.

I'm a little bit countryyyyy
And I'm a little bit Rock 'n' roooooooolll aah

I call it the definitive rock and roll album. But you can go ahead and call it what you want.

I AM a cliche.

and a poseur.

No man, face it, youre indie

The way you do the things you do
Makes me wanna be with you-hou-hou
Rave on it's a crazy feelin'
And you know it's gotten me reelin'
When you say, "I love you"
Oh rave on to me.

Sigh - Buddy Holly

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to the ikara cult again.

I'd say a rocker is someone who listens to a lot of "rock" a "rock and roller" listens to things that are in the spirit of rock and roll.

So count me in as a rock and roller. Nickelback is rock, Sonic Youth is Rock AND ROLL.

Me too :P

Correction, I am a THRASHER!